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Post by towerman on May 12, 2017 15:23:31 GMT
Anyone know why the whole line is closed on 21st October?
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 12, 2017 16:00:11 GMT
Anyone know why the whole line is closed on 21st October?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 10:28:02 GMT
New points and crossing at Paddington and BTR North Sheds Queens Park
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Post by countryman on May 13, 2017 13:09:24 GMT
New points and crossing at Paddington and BTR North Sheds Queens Park BTR?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 16:22:02 GMT
BTR = Ballast Track Renewal
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Post by crusty54 on May 13, 2017 16:37:48 GMT
BTR = Ballast Track Renewal from memory there is no ballast in the sheds Think Bakerloo through roads is more likely
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Post by MoreToJack on May 13, 2017 18:18:27 GMT
It's ballast track renewal.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 16:44:48 GMT
BTR = Ballast Track Renewal from memory there is no ballast in the sheds Think Bakerloo through roads is more likely You can clearly see ballast in the picture for the North Sheds Never heard the term Bakerloo through roads
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Post by rincew1nd on May 14, 2017 17:36:38 GMT
I think the answer to the original question of why the whole line is closed is something like "trackwork just north of Queen's Park station which prevents the service reversing there".
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Post by DWS on May 14, 2017 18:14:35 GMT
Piccadilly Circus has a crossover why can not trains use it ?
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Post by rincew1nd on May 14, 2017 18:27:01 GMT
Piccadilly Circus has a crossover why can not trains use it ? Isn't the crossover partly in the platforms? I'm assuming this would mean that the service wouldn't be able to run from there as a result, which would mean a service Charing Cross - Embankment - Waterloo - Lambeth North - Elephant. There seems little point in running something as limited as this, particularly as it's mirrored for most of the time by the Northern Line.
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Post by cso on May 14, 2017 18:47:02 GMT
The bit that got me was the replacement bus service advertised... I can't see the point of it, unless theres something else I'm missing?
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Post by Tom on May 14, 2017 21:32:33 GMT
It's ballast track renewal. Ballast ed Track Renewal In response to others, there certainly is ballast in the north shed, though it's not as deep as elsewhere. The South Shed is set in concrete however.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:21:40 GMT
from memory there is no ballast in the sheds Think Bakerloo through roads is more likely You can clearly see ballast in the picture for the North Sheds Never heard the term Bakerloo through roads Apologies for that blatant error, Ive heard some operators use that unofficial term, also know for a fact that some of the older operators still refer to the Watford DC as the Harlequin line back from the days of NSE.
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Post by superteacher on May 29, 2017 9:36:50 GMT
Piccadilly Circus has a crossover why can not trains use it ? Isn't the crossover partly in the platforms? I'm assuming this would mean that the service wouldn't be able to run from there as a result, which would mean a service Charing Cross - Embankment - Waterloo - Lambeth North - Elephant. There seems little point in running something as limited as this, particularly as it's mirrored for most of the time by the Northern Line. Trains can berth fully in the platform at Piccadilly and still use the crossover.
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Post by piccboy on May 29, 2017 19:17:00 GMT
Isn't the crossover partly in the platforms? I'm assuming this would mean that the service wouldn't be able to run from there as a result, which would mean a service Charing Cross - Embankment - Waterloo - Lambeth North - Elephant. There seems little point in running something as limited as this, particularly as it's mirrored for most of the time by the Northern Line. Trains can berth fully in the platform at Piccadilly and still use the crossover. This is quite correct with a few notes:- The South to North manoeuvre the train has to stop at the advanced stopping mark to clear the points. The North to South manoeuvre would require a train to detrain (remove all passengers from the train), go up to the limit of shunt (marker to show where to stop for a reversing manoeuvre), shut down (traditional stock, air has to be destroyed), driver change ends liven up cab (replenish air), negotiate crossover and fully berth train before the next train can arrive at the Northbound platform as the stopping position for trains on the northbound is too near the crossover and would foul the crossover (but not the points). To add even further delay to this, there is a strict 5mph speed limit on this crossover. In all, not a practical place to run a service with North to South turning.
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Post by towerman on Jun 2, 2017 10:47:14 GMT
The last time it was used as a reversing point was in the mid 90s when the tunnel repairs under the Thames were done,that was when 3257 was derailed & scrapped.Now it's only used as a last resort during service disruption.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 11:25:39 GMT
The last time it was used as a reversing point was in the mid 90s when the tunnel repairs under the Thames were done,that was when 3257 was derailed & scrapped.Now it's only used as a last resort during service disruption. Video evidence of that very move caught on camera.
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Post by scheduler on Oct 1, 2017 23:16:57 GMT
Bus replacement service starts from Paddington running to stations north of there, use other LU routes to Paddington. Bus will run via North Acton to meet Central line. On Saturday buses as far as Willesden Junction as Overground running every 15 minutes Willesden Junction to Watford Junction. On Sunday all rail services suspended due to Network Rail works at Watford Junction DC platforms as well. So buses all the way to Watford Junction - or far more likely take a different rail route. A few suggestions.... get to Watford Junction, Bushey or Harrow & Wealdstone and take London Midland to Euston. Carpenders Park passengers could go to Northwood for Met line. Kenton passengers could use Northwick Park for Met.
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Post by scheduler on Oct 1, 2017 23:19:09 GMT
Also it is no longer 21st October it is 28th and 29th October that it is closed.
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Post by DWS on Oct 2, 2017 5:03:55 GMT
Also it is no longer 21st October it is 28th and 29th October that it is closed. Also no service on the whole line on 18th and 19th November 2017.
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 18, 2017 21:38:19 GMT
Is the Jubilee partly closing on both occasions between Wembley Park and Waterloo for 3-4 hours simply to allow engineering trains through?
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Post by scheduler on Oct 18, 2017 22:28:45 GMT
Is the Jubilee Partly closing on both occasions between Wembley Park and Waterloo for 3-4 hours simply to allow engineering trains through? That would also appear to be the case. Closure is required because the automatic signalling system does not have any visible signals and the engineering stock is not authorised to run on Jubilee without a line possession.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 26, 2017 17:51:36 GMT
Trains can berth fully in the platform at Piccadilly and still use the crossover. This is quite correct with a few notes:- The South to North manoeuvre the train has to stop at the advanced stopping mark to clear the points. The North to South manoeuvre would require a train to detrain (remove all passengers from the train), go up to the limit of shunt (marker to show where to stop for a reversing manoeuvre), shut down (traditional stock, air has to be destroyed), driver change ends liven up cab (replenish air), negotiate crossover and fully berth train before the next train can arrive at the Northbound platform as the stopping position for trains on the northbound is too near the crossover and would foul the crossover (but not the points). To add even further delay to this, there is a strict 5mph speed limit on this crossover. In all, not a practical place to run a service with North to South turning. Interesting that the works will carry over to Monday morning: tfl.gov.uk/campaign/bakerloo-line-engineering-work?intcmp=50639So it seems that trains will be reversing north to south at Piccadilly Circus - very rare indeed! EDIT: The Monday morning issue has only just been announced, so clearly it was orginally planned to resume a full service from start of traffic. What’s happened? And if it turns out that more time is needed, surely it would be less disruptive to close the line after the Friday pm peak, rather than disrupt the busy Monday am peak?
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Post by Tom on Oct 26, 2017 20:32:39 GMT
I think it's a case of advertising the worst case and hoping the outcome will be better.
The reason not to close after the Friday pm peak is probably due to the need to take possession of the Jubilee line to run the Engineer's trains to Baker Street.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 13:03:31 GMT
Will also require a physical barrier at Baker St due to the close proximity to the Jubilee
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 27, 2017 13:37:33 GMT
Will also require a physical barrier at Baker St due to the close proximity to the Jubilee The various barriers to segregate off the Bakerloo during Night Tube hours are sufficient, iirc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 19:25:56 GMT
There is no physical barrier during night tube if you have to work there in an emergency you will need traffic hours protection The last time there was a bakeloo closure with the jubilee running They erected a plastic sheet to form a physical barrier between the two lines
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Post by Tom on Oct 27, 2017 21:36:25 GMT
I suggest it depends on the worksites and their limits. I don't believe there is a plan for a physical barrier this weekend.
There are other means of protection than physical barriers, in fact that is one of the less frequently used methods, in my experience.
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Post by dmncf on Oct 27, 2017 23:46:31 GMT
Interesting that the works will carry over to Monday morning: tfl.gov.uk/campaign/bakerloo-line-engineering-work?intcmp=50639So it seems that trains will be reversing north to south at Piccadilly Circus - very rare indeed! EDIT: The Monday morning issue has only just been announced, so clearly it was orginally planned to resume a full service from start of traffic. What’s happened? And if it turns out that more time is needed, surely it would be less disruptive to close the line after the Friday pm peak, rather than disrupt the busy Monday am peak? I agree with you totally that ending the service a few hours early on Friday evening would disrupt fewer passengers than starting the service after the AM peak on Monday morning. On the webpage it states: "We are carrying out essential work on the Bakerloo line this weekend. Due to its highly complex nature, normal services are scheduled to begin after 10:00 on Monday morning. Before that, we will run a very limited service on some parts of the line." Staff at my local Bakerloo line station said that when they were first told about the Monday morning closure, they were told 08:00 reopening, but it then changed to 10:00.
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