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Post by strangetrain on Apr 12, 2017 13:49:13 GMT
Not sure if this is the right place to post, but are Hammersmith and City line trains starting from Upminster in the mornings. I saw one leaving Upminster about 05:40 on Monday 10/04/17. I only noticed it from my cab as it was displaying "All Stations" on the side screen and I'd not seen that before
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 12, 2017 13:52:52 GMT
2 Circle Line start from Ealing Common depot 2 Circle Line start from Triangle sidings 3 H&C Line start from Upminster depot
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Post by greatkingrat on Apr 12, 2017 15:40:07 GMT
The weekday times are
0541 / 0610 / 0637 Upminster - Hammersmith 2246 / 2256 / 2316 Hammersmith - Upminster
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 15:48:07 GMT
One starts in the afternoon but runs empty all the way to Hammersmith in the current timetable which I think is mad
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 12, 2017 16:49:12 GMT
One starts in the afternoon but runs empty all the way to Hammersmith in the current timetable which I think is mad 174. What's even madder is that it then does a shunt into the depot and out of the depot ten minutes later, before entering service. 9/10 the shunt doesn't happen, much to the delight of everyone, because reasons. From the timetable change that train will enter service at Upminster.
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Post by d78forlife on Apr 12, 2017 18:46:34 GMT
What are the announcements like? Can the S stock say 'This is a Hammersmith and City line train to Upminster'? Or is it signed as a District to/from Barking?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 19:37:43 GMT
Why can't the journey between Upminster to Hammersmith be a revenue earning one, carrying passengers?
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 12, 2017 19:54:01 GMT
Why can't the journey between Upminster to Hammersmith be a revenue earning one, carrying passengers? as stated above he three morning starters run in service and the afternoon starter will do so from the next timetable change. The works to create additional sidings for the S7s continue and there are temporary allocations at the moment.
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 12, 2017 20:05:31 GMT
One starts in the afternoon but runs empty all the way to Hammersmith in the current timetable which I think is mad 174. What's even madder is that it then does a shunt into the depot and out of the depot ten minutes later, before entering service. 9/10 the shunt doesn't happen, much to the delight of everyone, because reasons. (my italics) I blame the lazy Hammersmith signaller
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Apr 12, 2017 20:31:16 GMT
174. What's even madder is that it then does a shunt into the depot and out of the depot ten minutes later, before entering service. 9/10 the shunt doesn't happen, much to the delight of everyone, because reasons. (my italics) I blame the lazy Hammersmith signaller It goes without saying.......
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Post by superteacher on Apr 12, 2017 20:48:26 GMT
(my italics) I blame the lazy Hammersmith signaller It goes without saying....... Just can't get the staff these days . . .
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 13, 2017 16:11:52 GMT
No comment m'lud...!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 18:20:29 GMT
What are the announcements like? Can the S stock say 'This is a Hammersmith and City line train to Upminster'? Or is it signed as a District to/from Barking? Yes they can - I believe they can do any combination of line/route as long as it's a logical journey... There's a video here of a District line train to Barking which originated at Edgware Road (It was running towards the City via Victoria).
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Post by Colin on Apr 13, 2017 19:23:40 GMT
Not to & from Upminster they can't!
When we bring trains up from Upminster, the official instruction is to set the train up as a District to Aldgate East and then it'll be corrected when the H & C driver takes it over at Barking. In reality most of us set it up as a H & C to Hammersmith all the way from Upminster - because we use the H & C from Barking code, the external displays will show it as a H & C train but internally the displays remain blank and there's no announcements [Between Upminster & Barking].
In the evenings when we take over the trains at Barking they have the code for Richmond to Upminster programmed in (easy round number to remember) so they must be getting changed at Aldgate East.
We have asked for additional routes to be programmed so that we can set up H & C trains to & from Upminster but we keep getting told there is no available capacity in the system. Despite this, additional codes are available for trains that run from Ealing Common depot onto the Circle line!
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Post by superteacher on Apr 13, 2017 19:35:07 GMT
Not to & from Upminster they can't! When we bring trains up from Upminster, the official instruction is to set the train up as a District to Aldgate East and then it'll be corrected when the H & C driver takes it over at Barking. In reality most of us set it up as a H & C to Hammersmith all the way from Upminster - because we use the H & C from Barking code, the external displays will show it as a H & C train but internally the displays remain blank and there's no announcements [Between Upminster & Barking]. In the evenings when we take over the trains at Barking they have the code for Richmond to Upminster programmed in (easy round number to remember) so they must be getting changed at Aldgate East. We have asked for additional routes to be programmed so that we can set up H & C trains to & from Upminster but we keep getting told there is no available capacity in the system. Despite this, additional codes are available for trains that run from Ealing Common depot onto the Circle line! Surely they will have some spare codes, with the removal of Hornchurch, Bromley By Bow, Putney Bridge etc?
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 13, 2017 19:42:22 GMT
If they're going to spend money fixing the S stock TCMS I think most would prefer them to provide one that isn't full of glitches! An £8m train with computers from Lidl...
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Post by Colin on Apr 13, 2017 19:43:27 GMT
Surely they will have some spare codes, with the removal of Hornchurch, Bromley By Bow, Putney Bridge etc? I suspect lack of interest / will to make it happen is the real reason but hey ho. To be fair we're only talking about three trains early in the morning. Oh and soon to be one in the afternoon.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 14, 2017 4:32:50 GMT
There are also a range of codes on District/Circle for when Cannon Street station was closed, these could be removed now.
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Post by Ben on Apr 14, 2017 15:27:01 GMT
Struggling to understand how computer capacity for route profiles is limited when memory is so cheap and vast these days. Given the whole 'one stock for the SSR' thing, this seems the exact sort of flexibility that one would expect to maximise such a design choice.
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 14, 2017 16:08:55 GMT
Struggling to understand how computer capacity for route profiles is limited when memory is so cheap and vast these days. Given the whole 'one stock for the SSR' thing, this seems the exact sort of flexibility that one would expect to maximise such a design choice. I refer you to my previous comment. An £8m train with computers from Lidl...
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Post by John Tuthill on Apr 14, 2017 16:54:48 GMT
If they're going to spend money fixing the S stock TCMS I think most would prefer them to provide one that isn't full of glitches! An £8m train with computers from Lidl... you give them too much intelligence. 'Toys R Us' is more likely
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Post by Colin on Apr 14, 2017 19:28:21 GMT
Struggling to understand how computer capacity for route profiles is limited when memory is so cheap and vast these days. Given the whole 'one stock for the SSR' thing, this seems the exact sort of flexibility that one would expect to maximise such a design choice. You've made a fatal assumption! LU is a large organisation with many layers that don't talk to each other. Add in the abillity to apply absolutely no logic to anything and you'll begin to understand the frustration of those of us that have to work with the end product.......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 7:03:00 GMT
That just don't happen on the trains believe me
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Post by DWS on Apr 15, 2017 7:49:40 GMT
That just don't happen on the trains believe me Tell use more Mr SOM, are you saying this type of thing happens in the Signal Department ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 20:49:02 GMT
I couldn't comment
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 15, 2017 22:10:01 GMT
I think he means:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 14:20:01 GMT
Struggling to understand how computer capacity for route profiles is limited when memory is so cheap and vast these days. Given the whole 'one stock for the SSR' thing, this seems the exact sort of flexibility that one would expect to maximise such a design choice. Having worked in the software industry, one of the most disruptive events is when you need to add another byte to a field. 8 binary variables could be compressed into a byte; the 9th/17th/etc needs another byte.
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 24, 2017 15:35:01 GMT
And here's today's 171, empty ex-Upminster pulling into the siding, nice and empty... And yes, we did the shunt.
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Post by malcolmffc on Apr 24, 2017 17:59:09 GMT
How an earth can a train built in the mid-2010s not have enough memory for more designation codes?
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 24, 2017 18:31:16 GMT
How an earth can a train built in the mid-2010s not have enough memory for more designation codes? Perhaps it's not a memory problem.
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