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Post by bruce on Feb 17, 2017 16:42:23 GMT
There is a wealth of information on southern electrics including all the various formations used on the Bournemouth route on this web site: - www.bloodandcustard.com/
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Post by fish7373 on Feb 17, 2017 18:40:01 GMT
Once they had a 4TC with a class 73 loco on the kensington olympia to clapham junction service the old Kenny bell.
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Post by geriatrix on Feb 17, 2017 19:30:48 GMT
According to a Rail Mag I've just read, the 4TC is going to be finished in maroon livery, and used for various railtours, including possibly London to Quainton Road. No idea how true that is!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 17, 2017 19:42:07 GMT
Once they had a 4TC with a class 73 loco on the kensington olympia to clapham junction service the old Kenny bell. I used to work in an office overlooking that line. 73+TC was fairly common. Sometimes two of them top and tail (I have a feeling thete was a reason a 73/1 and a 73/0 were both needed- something to do with heating and multiple operation)
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Post by silenthunter on Feb 17, 2017 21:11:42 GMT
According to a Rail Mag I've just read, the 4TC is going to be finished in maroon livery, and used for various railtours, including possibly London to Quainton Road. No idea how true that is! I was wondering if that was anachronistic, but apparently some of the Mark 1s used were in maroon before conversion.
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Post by fish7373 on Feb 17, 2017 21:23:09 GMT
According to a Rail Mag I've just read, the 4TC is going to be finished in maroon livery, and used for various railtours, including possibly London to Quainton Road. No idea how true that is! I was wondering if that was anachronistic, but apparently some of the Mark 1s used were in maroon before conversion. But from new all blue i Think.
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Post by fish7373 on Feb 17, 2017 21:37:08 GMT
Class 438 4TC ALL new build EMU MK1s at the time or converted all from locomotive-hauled Mark 1 carriages.
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Post by silenthunter on Feb 17, 2017 22:35:46 GMT
Class 438 4TC ALL new build EMU MK1s at the time or converted all from locomotive-hauled Mark 1 carriages. I meant the latter, some of which were in maroon.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 18, 2017 0:00:41 GMT
The only new build cars were the REP motor coaches - the six extra ones in 1974 being the very last Mark 1 vehicles built. All the trailers (and the TC driving trailers) were converted from hauled stock.
Cross referring "blood and custard" with Hugh Longworth's book on hauled stock - note this only gives original allocations though:
Buffet cars 69319-329 were converted from 1714-24. 1714/15 Eastrn Region vehicles, the rest were Southern. These had been "RB" type in their former lives 1974 batch 69022-25 were converted from 1925/32/35/39 - all LMR vehicles: three of them originally mounted on Gresley bogies! (formerly "RU"s)
Driving trailers 76279-76323. originally TSOs from range 3926 - 4394, all former SR hauled stock. Additional car 76943 from 3913 was also a former SR carriage.
REP trailers 70801-11, and 71156-59 from CKs 15425 and in range 15871-909. All former SR except 15425 which was a WR carriage. (these were converted from composite to brake first)
TC trailers 70844-71 and 71162-67, formed from FKs in range 13000-13197: LMR 19, ER 8, WR 4, SR 1
TC brake trailers: 70812-43 and 71160/61: formed from BSKs in range 34956-998, 34637, 34640: all SR
So of the 188 carriages, 30 were new build, 19 were from the LMR, 8 from the ER, 5 from the WR, and 126 from the SR.
The LT set is made up of cars 76297, 71163, 70823, 76324, formerly S 3938, M 13097, S 34970 and S 4009. So probably all originally green, with one maroon interloper (or possibly original "blood and custard", as it was built in 1954!
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Post by roythebus on Feb 18, 2017 0:05:00 GMT
Perhaps not quite relevant here but I remember seeing (at Basingstoke I think)double headed Class 73s hauling eight coaches (2x4TC?) possibly at the time when the 4REPs were being withdrawn. Am I suffering from senile fantasy? Or were such trains ever operated? No and yes.
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Post by fish7373 on Jun 5, 2017 1:20:41 GMT
Hi i see they have painted the 4 TC unit in LT red go to this WEB site you will see them.
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Post by PGtrips on Jun 5, 2017 14:36:26 GMT
Around 1984-5, the afternoon Kenny Belle, which I think did 3 round trips was booked for a 33/1 + 4TC. It then ran ECS from Clapham to Waterloo and was coupled to the country end of 2 4VEPs to form the 18.10 Waterloo to Salisbury and Eastleigh. IIRC fast to Woking, then Farnborough and dividing at Basingstoke. As can be imagined, the combination of the acceleration of the VEPs together the 1550 HP of the 33 meant that it went like a rocket.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 5, 2017 16:19:42 GMT
Around 1984-5, the afternoon Kenny Belle, which I think did 3 round trips was booked for a 33/1 + 4TC. It then ran ECS from Clapham to Waterloo and was coupled to the country end of 2 4VEPs to form the 18.10 Waterloo to Salisbury and Eastleigh. IIRC fast to Woking, then Farnborough and dividing at Basingstoke. As can be imagined, the combination of the acceleration of the VEPs together the 1550 HP of the 33 meant that it went like a rocket. The Kenny Belle only ran two round trips - I used it occasionally - especially when something exotic was running it (we occasionally got a pairs of 73s instead of a 33) And at Waterloo or Woking you noticed the kick the VEPs gave to the TC and 33 when the driver first applied power - the VEPs started moving as soon as power was applied, but it took a second or two for the 33 to rev up and start moving. (I wonder which portion went to Salisbury..............
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 5, 2017 16:56:57 GMT
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Post by metman on Jun 8, 2017 19:57:46 GMT
The red is smart but would prefer a darker red or maroon like the old BR livery.
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Post by fish7373 on Jun 8, 2017 20:01:00 GMT
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 8, 2017 20:12:46 GMT
Very smart livery, I agree.
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 8, 2017 22:31:32 GMT
Hmm, maybe its my monitor, I'm not sure; its just that whilst I've seen this described as red my thoughts turn to ochre, which is more akin to rust (orange?) tinted red.
Simon
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Post by brigham on Jun 9, 2017 8:03:57 GMT
Hmm, maybe its my monitor, I'm not sure; its just that whilst I've seen this described as red my thoughts turn to ochre, which is more akin to rust (orange?) tinted red. Simon Ochre is a type of green, surely?
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jun 9, 2017 8:10:49 GMT
Hmm, maybe its my monitor, I'm not sure; its just that whilst I've seen this described as red my thoughts turn to ochre, which is more akin to rust (orange?) tinted red. Simon Ochre is a type of green, surely? No, it's somewhere between yellow and brick red. You're confusing it with Okra, an edible plant seed pod which is green.
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Post by brigham on Jun 9, 2017 9:15:19 GMT
Look up 'Improved Engine Green'.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jun 9, 2017 9:43:00 GMT
Look up 'Improved Engine Green'. Ochre
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Post by Chris M on Jun 9, 2017 11:01:44 GMT
Look up 'Improved Engine Green'. Most of the image results for that colour are what I would call "mustard yellow". The 4TC to me looks red.
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Post by brigham on Jun 10, 2017 13:58:30 GMT
Looks like Tilling Red on my monitor. I wonder if it will be turned-out with gold LONDON TRANSPORT lettering.
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 10, 2017 18:51:01 GMT
It's painted in traditional Underground red.
Bus red was adopted for the 1938 stock towards the end.
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Post by countryman on Jun 10, 2017 18:54:39 GMT
I prefer 4TCs like this. Taken at Swanage earlier this week. (assuming the link works) linkEDIT. Sorry, can't get photo in.
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 10, 2017 20:11:51 GMT
I prefer 4TCs like this. Taken at Swanage earlier this week. (assuming the link works) linkEDIT. Sorry, can't get photo in. The link needs editing. Do you mean in BR Blue-Grey? Great livery that.
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Post by countryman on Jun 14, 2017 13:03:39 GMT
I prefer 4TCs like this. Taken at Swanage earlier this week. (assuming the link works) linkEDIT. Sorry, can't get photo in. The link needs editing. Do you mean in BR Blue-Grey? Great livery that. Yes, I did mean blue and grey. I didn't move to the south until 1976, so I never saw all blue. The photo, if I cn edit it is one driving coach, fully painted but unlettered and un-numbered. The first train ran this week andI have copied this info from the Swanage Railway website. The first train ran with a Class 33 in green livery. Unfortunately none of the news coverage I have seen give any indication of the carriages used, apart from internal shots confirming Mark 1s. West Coast Railways (one of Britain’s foremost charter operators) is operating the service (as the operator) on behalf of Swanage Railway (as the promoter). Class 33 / 47 diesel locomotives are operating the service. Subject to confirmation by West Coast Railways. London Underground 4TC Unit/ Approx. 192 seats per journey.
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Post by pauluni on Jun 14, 2017 22:02:27 GMT
Swanage are using West Coast Mark I & II carriages for the Wareham service. As I understand it the 4TC was planned to be used but wasn't ready in time. I don't know if it'll be used once the work being carried out is completed.
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Post by countryman on Jun 15, 2017 16:13:49 GMT
Swanage are using West Coast Mark I & II carriages for the Wareham service. As I understand it the 4TC was planned to be used but wasn't ready in time. I don't know if it'll be used once the work being carried out is completed. Went for a look today. Train was 37 518 in EWS red, Mark 2 brake, 3 Mark1 carriages and green class 33 at the other end. Couldn't get the number as only the class 37 and 3 coaches fit in the bay!
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