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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 30, 2020 16:34:10 GMT
Is the 345 supposed to be in passenger service on the Heathrow branch tomorrow?
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 30, 2020 19:17:03 GMT
Is the 345 supposed to be in passenger service on the Heathrow branch tomorrow? Usual rules about train movements apply....
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 30, 2020 19:44:54 GMT
345004 failed this afternoon, struggling to switch into TPWS mode. It has since run ECS to depot. Rome wasn't built in a day. Nor was it burnt down in one.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jul 30, 2020 20:17:14 GMT
A limerick called three, four, five:
Crossrail had some trains classed as three four five But their computers had a reputation for taking a bit of a dive Summer came and they thought they’d fixed it But hours passed today and it only bricked it So Old Oak Common it was for another surmise
Wahey!
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 30, 2020 20:56:13 GMT
Is the 345 supposed to be in passenger service on the Heathrow branch tomorrow? Usual rules about train movements apply....Whoops; haven't posted for a while so forgot.
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 10, 2020 20:58:11 GMT
And then there were three. Last week saw the lone airport 345 joined by two more Full Length Units working the PAD-HAY shuttle service. Due to rotations of the fleet made possible by the scarce few diagrams covered by FLU's, several units have made their debut in passenger service.
The ambition stands to have the airport service uplifted to 4tph come September. Heathrow Express operations whilst a factor are not prohibitive in achieving this.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 10, 2020 21:12:05 GMT
Is an even 15 minute headway possible around HEx?
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 10, 2020 21:19:27 GMT
Is an even 15 minute headway possible around HEx? Not at present since diagrams are clustered so a timetable recast is going to be a prerequisite. But T5 can definitely take an increased TfL Rail service plus whatever frequency HEX choose to run with going forwards.
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 14, 2020 10:14:39 GMT
As had been mooted, 345's have now taken over all TfL Rail diagrams to Heathrow and the 360's are in strategic reserve from today.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 14, 2020 19:39:17 GMT
As had been mooted, 345's have now taken over all TfL Rail diagrams to Heathrow and the 360's are in strategic reserve from today. Are £8.90 Senior Railcard zone 1-6 ODTC tickets valid on Crossrail 345s at Heathrow? I plan to be in west London on Wednesday so would be willing to go and see for myself.
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 14, 2020 19:50:43 GMT
As had been mooted, 345's have now taken over all TfL Rail diagrams to Heathrow and the 360's are in strategic reserve from today. Are £8.90 Senior Railcard zone 1-6 ODTC tickets valid on Crossrail 345s at Heathrow? I plan to be in west London on Wednesday so would be willing to go and see for myself. Travel cards covering Zone 6 are indeed valid on TfL Rail services to Heathrow.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 16, 2020 17:36:21 GMT
Yes indeed, 9 car Class 345s are carrying fare paying passengers to Heathrow Airport. But from what I saw only half-hourly - I say this because when I arrived at Ealing Broadway a 7 car 345 going to the bay platform at Hays & Harlington was the first train. Its my first time on a 9 car 345 - and bit of a walk from one end to t'other end. I think I'll need an electric scooter! (joke) At Heathrow T5 I was told by some airport bods that whilst the airport is allowed to use CCTV and film everyone, the people being filmed are not allowed to use *their* cameras. In other words, the people who run the airport understand about plane spotting, but not about train spotting. So its with much regret that I did not get all the photos I would have liked, but I hope to have something to share here either this evening or tomorrow. So far I've not even downloaded my images (or video) from my cameras. Given all that I've read over recent years about signalling technical issues, etc, seeing these trains actually reaching Heathrow is a milestone event. Slowly slowly, we get there! Just a pity its so slowly - just like my Central line train from Ealing Broadway to Gants Hill... (not helped by the train I was in being halted between stations so that a train from the West Ruislip route was able to go in front where the two routes merge). Thanks goldenarrow for that information, I had one of these tickets. Made life easy!
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 16, 2020 18:02:30 GMT
spsmiler , Not at all. Your encounter with Customer Care staff at T5 is sadly not uncommon, another case of poor training from staff handed down from acilliary agencies and even poorer operational management culture. The signage at T2&3 and T5 rail stations is approaching a decade out of date. The airports official policy on personal photography/filming is that it is permitted in publicly accessible areas (including the rail stations) bar controlled environments such as security and immigration. The only part of these policies that apply to rail stations is the common sense practice not to photograph/film operational staff for obvious reasons which I'm sure you avoided any how.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 16, 2020 19:25:07 GMT
spsmiler , Not at all. Your encounter with Customer Care staff at T5 is sadly not uncommon, another case of poor training from staff handed down from acilliary agencies and even poorer operational management culture. The signage at T2&3 and T5 rail stations is approaching a decade out of date. The airports official policy on personal photography/filming is that it is permitted in publicly accessible areas (including the rail stations) bar controlled environments such as security and immigration. The only part of these policies that apply to rail stations is the common sense practice not to photograph/film operational staff for obvious reasons which I'm sure you avoided any how. Thanks goldenarrow I was actually shown a sign that quite clearly stated 'no photography'. I also told them that I am considering getting a pair of eye glasses which have a built in camera. The only reason why I have not already done this is that I need prescription lenses and as yet I have not found anything which is suitable. Anyway, I avoided conflict and left the station on the same train as I had arrived. On my travels I also saw work progressing on several stations - West Ealing is getting a brand new station building which will be a bit of a walk down a side road and away from the bus stops, I suppose it means that the existing station building (complete with BR double arrow in its brickwork) will be closed. I also noted works underway at Ealing Broadway, Southall and Hayes & Harlington - especially the latter station has been a mess for quite a few years. At Ealing Broadway passengers arriving on a Central line train who wanted a train heading west (Reading, etc) were being forced to walk along platform 4 to the new steps at the far end the station - if my understanding is correct those steps were installed to improve access to Crossrail trains but alas the job was only half done as they do not serve either the Central line nor the District line platforms. Its a big shame as these are the passengers who are the most likely to want to interchange to / from Crossrail trains at this station.
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Post by Chris L on Sept 16, 2020 19:52:02 GMT
A couple of years ago I was working on a project to highlight the position of lifts on platforms. This entailed visiting all sub surface stations with lifts.
I had to mark up a layout drawing with positions for new low level signs and photograph each location. I signed in at every station and got a visitor pass and then did the necessary.
All went well until I got to T5. I asked to see the station supervisor and was taken through a number of locked doors into a control room. The supervisor explained to me that the station area belongs to Heathrow Airport Limited and that would have to submit a written application and in the meantime I couldn't take any photographs or mark up a sketch layout.
The new bridge at Ealing Broadway is to provide an escape route from the platforms. The exit is beyond the fast lines.
As I understand it TfL would have to pay for an extension to the remaining platforms.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 16, 2020 23:46:32 GMT
Chris, I suppose that once the bureaucracy was honoured and you submitted written requests in triplicate (etc) you were allowed to perform your allotted tasks.
As one of my tweeted images shows, the sign that forbids photography is relatively new - it even includes wearing masks!
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Post by Chris L on Sept 17, 2020 5:28:41 GMT
Chris, I suppose that once the bureaucracy was honoured and you submitted written requests in triplicate (etc) you were allowed to perform your allotted tasks. As one of my tweeted images shows, the sign that forbids photography is relatively new - it even includes wearing masks! The vinyl sign has been updated. Security issues are cited as the reason for banning photography inside the station. LUL did not submit any request and gave up as signing is outside their remit at the station.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 18, 2020 22:47:11 GMT
Chris, whilst there I told them how it is possible to film in ways that they would not see. Even though they were wearing face masks I saw shock on their faces when they heard what I told them is possible. I was surprised that they had no idea.
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Post by MoreToJack on Sept 19, 2020 1:42:28 GMT
Back to 345s, please. If anyone wishes to talk more about covert filming, please start a new thread.
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 6, 2020 16:43:05 GMT
Well I hope everyone has enjoyed the four months of class 345's serving Heathrow T5 because they are about to be booted off for most of the day!
From 14 December, TfL Rail services will only serve Heathrow T5 after 8PM on weekdays and on weekends only. At all other times, services will be detrained at Heathrow T2&3 and run empty to T4 to reverse. No frequency changes are planned till May 2021 at the earliest.
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Post by jimbo on Dec 6, 2020 18:32:12 GMT
Well I hope everyone has enjoyed the four months of class 345's serving Heathrow T5 because they are about to be booted off for most of the day! From 14 December, TfL Rail services will only serve Heathrow T5 after 8PM on weekdays and on weekends only. At all other times, services will be detrained at Heathrow T2&3 and run empty to T4 to reverse. No frequency changes are planned till May 2021 at the earliest. What's it all about, Alfie?
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Post by silenthunter on Dec 6, 2020 21:09:46 GMT
Is Heathrow T4 open at the moment?
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 6, 2020 21:55:08 GMT
jimbo , Unfortunately I'm not at liberty to say just yet. I reckon I'll be able to give details in a week or so. silenthunter , Heathrow T4 has been closed to passengers since May 8, a situation that will remain the case for all of 2021. Both the Tube and Rail stations have remained available throughout for empty stock moves with TfL Rail services making use of the latter from next week.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 6, 2020 23:57:03 GMT
Sounds like its related to either something which happened (that we do not know about) or (perhaps more likely, as its planned in advance) testing that all is well with these trains serving T4 without running extra trains.
How will passengers get to T5?
Piccadilly line?
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 7, 2020 9:33:58 GMT
How will passengers get to T5? Piccadilly line? TfL Rail passengers to/from T5 can use Heathrow Express services between Heathrow Rail stations free of charge. The determination not to name another TOC has led to this being given the rather long winded name of ‘inter-terminal transfer service’. This along with the LU arrangement are the last remnants of Heathrow Free Travel Zone which has had its remit rather severely clipped for 2021, everything bar the above has been discontinued.
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Post by tfn on Dec 10, 2020 9:44:56 GMT
Well I hope everyone has enjoyed the four months of class 345's serving Heathrow T5 because they are about to be booted off for most of the day! From 14 December, TfL Rail services will only serve Heathrow T5 after 8PM on weekdays and on weekends only. At all other times, services will be detrained at Heathrow T2&3 and run empty to T4 to reverse. No frequency changes are planned till May 2021 at the earliest. Would this be related to the planned HeX services being upped back to 4tph when their new trains are being introduced, hence no space for TfL Rail services.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 12, 2020 11:20:42 GMT
What proportion of the Shenfield line is now operated by 345's?
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 12, 2020 15:48:40 GMT
What proportion of the Shenfield line is now operated by 345's? It's been reported on forums afar that virtually everything on TfL Rail East is 345 bar some peak time workings as of this most recent timetable change.
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Post by MoreToJack on Dec 13, 2020 1:50:40 GMT
Can confirm (first hand info) that 315s on the east are now consigned to a handful of peak-only workings, barring disruption and such like. The numbers of available 7 cars are still quite tight on diagramming so there is always a chance for a pair of 315s to slip out.
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 13, 2020 20:36:55 GMT
Well I hope everyone has enjoyed the four months of class 345's serving Heathrow T5 because they are about to be booted off for most of the day! From 14 December, TfL Rail services will only serve Heathrow T5 after 8PM on weekdays and on weekends only. At all other times, services will be detrained at Heathrow T2&3 and run empty to T4 to reverse. No frequency changes are planned till May 2021 at the earliest. What's it all about, Alfie? When this timetable was being drawn up, Heathrow Express were adamant in maintaining that a step up to their usual 4tph frequency was 'imminent'. I suspect this was as result of pressure from HAL on their flagship service rather than any rational understanding of what travel demand would be like this year. With a change of rolling stock on Heathrow Express, interestingly their layover time at Heathrow T5 increased in this timetable even though some of their operating procedures would reduce this significantly. One can only assume a combination of some over optimistic timetable demands from HEX and uncertainty over the step-up in TfL Rail frequencies lead to this curious assumption that tfn suggested even though the 'end state' frequency of the Elizabeth line stipulates a 2tph service running along side 4tph to T5, more than there is at the moment! Anyway it seems, this odd arrangement has been averted with temporarily VAR slots for TfL Rail, just after the notices have been sent out to several departments at the airport... UPDATE (16/12/2020) London Travelwatch have intervened in this farcical situation to appeal to the Secretary of State to intervene before the 4th January 2021 when this switch up of services is due to happen.
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