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Post by Chris L on May 29, 2019 12:44:24 GMT
Just to confirm that the weekend transition tests are using nine car trains with Elizabeth line logos on the sides. Does the logo on the outside make any difference and/or carry significance? They will not run in public service with this logo until the core section opens. If 9 car trains run out of Paddington before this they will have TfL Rail logos applied. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 29, 2019 13:06:27 GMT
Does the logo on the outside make any difference and/or carry significance? Looking for a Liz roundel is probably the easiest way to tell whether its a full length unit or one of the 7 cars without actually counting. Noticed that many recent 9-car test trains through Ealing Broadway no longer have roundels attached . |
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Post by Chris W on Oct 10, 2019 20:28:26 GMT
As an update, I noted 345 039 ran empty eastwards to Shenfield during the end of the morning rush hour and 345 029 in passenger service at Liverpool Street on Tuesday (8 Oct) late afternoon...
Both consisted of 7 cars (029 obviously as it was in service)...
More cl.315s seem to be put aside now, although can be seen at Gidea Park/Ilford as 'just-in-case' back-ups...
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Post by Chris L on Oct 10, 2019 22:30:35 GMT
As an update, I noted 345 039 ran empty eastwards to Shenfield during the end of the morning rush hour and 345 029 in passenger service at Liverpool Street on Tuesday (8 Oct) late afternoon... Both consisted of 7 cars (029 obviously as it was in service)... More cl.315s seem to be put aside now, although can be seen at Gidea Park/Ilford as 'just-in-case' back-ups... As I posted earlier, more 9 car trains are being reduced to 7 cars in order to replace 315s. |
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Post by silenthunter on Oct 12, 2019 15:10:51 GMT
When will 9 car be possible at Liverpool Street High Level?
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 12, 2019 19:17:32 GMT
When will 9 car be possible at Liverpool Street High Level? AIUI the extensions will reduce the number of available platforms, this lack of capacity is not problematic because the trains currently using the platform that is to close can be diverted into the Crossrail core. Oh. |
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Post by Chris L on Oct 13, 2019 14:40:54 GMT
When will 9 car be possible at Liverpool Street High Level? Work is needed to remove one platform and extend 2 to accommodate the 9 nine car trains. This can't happen until Shenfield trains are running through the tunnels to free up capacity. The first stage of tunnel working is a service between Paddington and Abbey Wood. The Shenfield trains will follow once this is running smoothly. |
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Post by Chris W on Oct 15, 2019 19:34:17 GMT
I did some counting this morning.... with units in sidings and in service...
15 x cl 345s
11 x cl 315s
I suspect that one unit is unaccounted for...
Of note 345 044 was passing eastwards through Stratford. I didn't count the number of cars, however interestingly I didn't notice any TfL Rail or Elizabeth Line roundels...
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Post by silenthunter on Oct 19, 2019 19:02:54 GMT
I spotted 013, 029 and 047 out on passenger duties today - first time seen by me for all of these.
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 19, 2019 19:14:12 GMT
Certain units are understood to be in the process of being cycled between Old Oak Common and Ilford to get some miles racked up. Some units must have been sitting idle (excluding test runs) for almost two years now.
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Post by Chris L on Oct 21, 2019 9:05:25 GMT
More 345s introduced on Liverpool Street/Shenfield trains from today.
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Post by alpinejohn on Oct 29, 2019 14:17:30 GMT
I see there has been a new article about Crossrail progress on the LondonReconnections website which may be of interest. www.londonreconnections.com/2019/crossrail-progressing-but-slipping/Overall it suggests the original phased opening has been revisited, with a greater focus on getting online those sections which deliver additional revenue to TFL which in turn implies that previous urgency and focus on getting the core section open has been revised to ensure that the core section only opens when they can be fully confident it will work reliably from day one. I guess this implies the core opening will be even later than previously envisaged. Elsewhere there are already conspiracy theories suggesting that the change of focus is also intended to call the bluff of some the underperforming elements of the Bond Street workforce who have been somewhat addicted to guzzling overtime pay rates. Hey Ho - it will probably open eventually. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 14, 2020 20:26:10 GMT
As I type a 345 is currently making its way through the Heathrow Tunnels on test. I know that because vibrations from the HXX tunnels have found their way to my staff room which only ever happens when we have non-stopping trains over a certain length.
They are feeling brave because tonight's tests includes a reversal over Heathrow Airport Junction and Heathrow Tunnel Junction Emergency Crossover during traffic hours.
UPDATE: Test train is now heading out of the Heathrow tunnels for OOC, tonights runs went smoothly. Testing to T4 will be during the early hours of Sat.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 22, 2020 23:42:20 GMT
The battery of tests being done at Heathrow over the past fortnight is paying dividends. Safety certification for passengers is on the home straight and Bombardier has submitted its papers to the ORR for nine car operation to both Heathrow and Reading. ORR is widely expected to grant approval in around six weeks ensuring that FLU operation can have the sweep for the May timetable change.
That timetable has been recast with the Hayes & Harlington service extended to Heathrow providing 4tph simultaneously negating the need for the T4 shuttle service. Acton Main Line and Hanwell retain their indirect/alternating 2tph service to Heathrow.
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 23, 2020 8:21:57 GMT
I assume we're not to expect trains to T5 until the core opens? I assume Paddington wouldn't be able to take them.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 23, 2020 17:48:04 GMT
I assume we're not to expect trains to T5 until the core opens? I assume Paddington wouldn't be able to take them. Spot on. XR services to T5 were originally part of Stage 5 (through services from all branches via the core). Even though that has now been split it still makes sense to have that service implemented when Reading services go under London primarily because it knits all the frequency uplifts neatly. Capacity at Paddington Mainline suburban platforms and indeed capacity on the relief lines in general is something to fill a whole thread on but all I'll say on here is that those lines are already at capacity in the peaks and thats with the muted service frequency we have at present. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 26, 2020 12:26:07 GMT
I found myself on the platforms at HXX recently to catch a 345 rolling through on test. A spectacular waste of my photography permit followed as you can see from the dustiness of the camera lense of my phone which had become a complete dust box.
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 10, 2020 13:53:32 GMT
The final class 345 has left Derby:
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 10, 2020 19:42:56 GMT
It has been observed elsewhere today that nine car units have been working the HAY-PAD services from midday through the evening peak. This should start to become a more common occurrence as we move into spring.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 11, 2020 21:40:20 GMT
I had a member of station staff tell me today that (based upon chatter that has been heard behind the scenes) that he / she thinks it is possible that the tunneled section will open later this year.
My interpretation of how marketing bods might say this: The people of London can expect an unexpected Christmas gift in the form of Lizzie line trains between Abbey Wood and Paddington carrying passengers in time for Christmas shopping.
btw, I am not into betting so am not about to rush off to the bookies to put money on this actually happening. But I will believe - that is, if / when I can travel on it!
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Post by silenthunter on Mar 11, 2020 21:43:24 GMT
I'll believe that when I see the press release.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 11, 2020 21:57:55 GMT
It’s believable, since TFL will be able to put some form of positive spin on it.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 12, 2020 0:08:09 GMT
I went to an exhibition about a proposed development at North Quay (between Canary Wharf Crossrail and Poplar DLR) yesterday. The developers there were working on the assumption that Crossrail will start operating from Canary Wharf station in about 12 to 18 months.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 17, 2020 10:13:05 GMT
I was on one of these a couple of days ago and feel sure that the spoken 'next station' message had changed from "this is the train to xxx" to "this is a train to xxx"
the use of the word 'a' instead of 'the' sounded much better
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 17, 2020 15:31:07 GMT
I was on one of these a couple of days ago and feel sure that the spoken 'next station' message had changed from "this is the train to xxx" to "this is a train to xxx" the use of the word 'a' instead of 'the' sounded much better Could be possible given that there are no less than four mods of varying scope being rolled out across the fleet. |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 17, 2020 22:39:49 GMT
I was on one of these a couple of days ago and feel sure that the spoken 'next station' message had changed from "this is the train to xxx" to "this is a train to xxx" the use of the word 'a' instead of 'the' sounded much better Could be possible given that there are no less that four mods of varying scope being rolled out across the fleet. Thanks Under normal circumstances I would have been on one of these trains again within the next few days so that I could listen to discover if the message changes again. Unfortunately the present-day health crisis means that it will be several weeks, if not a month (or even more) before I next travel on one of these (or indeed any) trains. |
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Post by Deep Level on Mar 18, 2020 20:48:55 GMT
Yep, it changed a couple of months ago to "This is a TfL Rail service to", I was supposed to make a post on it but it slipped my mind. Makes a lot more sense in my opinion rather than implying it's the only service, I just wish they'd do it on London Overground too.
The only criticism I have is that the gap between "is" and "a" is too short, sounds like a stutter.
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Post by silenthunter on Mar 18, 2020 21:49:41 GMT
"That's one long train for (a) man".
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Post by 2pintz on Apr 29, 2020 17:43:14 GMT
It has been observed elsewhere today that nine car units have been working the HAY-PAD services from midday through the evening peak. This should start to become a more common occurrence as we move into spring. Is there any update on how many nine cars are running now (and seven cars rather than 315s are running on the Shenfield branch)? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Apr 29, 2020 19:05:23 GMT
It has been observed elsewhere today that nine car units have been working the HAY-PAD services from midday through the evening peak. This should start to become a more common occurrence as we move into spring. Is there any update on how many nine cars are running now (and seven cars rather than 315s are running on the Shenfield branch)? TfL Rail West's 345 service is made up entirely of 9 car units today. I've been observing formations to/from work since the Covid timetables started and I don't think I saw more than two 7 car units in service a day. It's been a while since I looked at the numbers for TfL Rail East, the narrative I'm getting is that they broke ranks with their rolling stock formations a long time ago and that was before Covid. Today's service only has a pair of 315 diagrams out by the looks of things. |
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