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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 18:25:03 GMT
There was a plan to have them running on the Picc if I remember
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Post by fish7373 on Nov 30, 2016 19:30:07 GMT
There was a plan to have them running on the Picc if I remember Yes that was true indeed but a 1973 train went to Neasden Depot today for wheel turning i see.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 30, 2016 20:14:21 GMT
There was a plan to have them running on the Picc if I remember Also to keep them on the Jubilee, incorporated in trains of 1996 stock. Which is why 1996 stock has tiny windows, to match those on the 1983 stock. And why the Northern Line's 1995 stock has them too.
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Post by sawb on Nov 30, 2016 20:53:54 GMT
Going very slightly off topic, does anyone know how the first fw trains from Heathrow of a weekday morning have been running please? Have they been running or have they been cancelled with a later start to the branch?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 22:02:17 GMT
Going very slightly off topic, does anyone know how the first fw trains from Heathrow of a weekday morning have been running please? Have they been running or have they been cancelled with a later start to the branch? I believe that first trains for Heathrow were ok this morning - not sure about branch however the replacement buses would be leaving at the time of first trains. The shuttle is working slightly better today and yesterday ran through until end of traffic. There were extended gaps though during the first part of morning peak.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 22:06:39 GMT
Going very slightly off topic, does anyone know how the first fw trains from Heathrow of a weekday morning have been running please? Have they been running or have they been cancelled with a later start to the branch? I believe that first trains for Heathrow were ok this morning - not sure about branch however the replacement buses would be leaving at the time of first trains. The shuttle is working slightly better today and yesterday ran through until end of traffic. There were extended gaps though during the first part of morning peak. What's the shuttle service that they're running? Heathrow - Acton?
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Post by phoenixcronin on Nov 30, 2016 22:15:48 GMT
I believe that first trains for Heathrow were ok this morning - not sure about branch however the replacement buses would be leaving at the time of first trains. The shuttle is working slightly better today and yesterday ran through until end of traffic. There were extended gaps though during the first part of morning peak. What's the shuttle service that they're running? Heathrow - Acton? Acton-Rayners
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Post by rheostar on Dec 1, 2016 8:21:13 GMT
I believe one of the two wheel lathes at Northfields is out of action. Are there two wheel lathes at Northfields now? There was only one when I was there and that used one of the pit roads needed for wheel changing when being used and blocked easy access to the rest of the depot. Cheap design for wheel lathe building at Rolls Royce prices for a quick fix which has now come back to bite hard - who gets the blame? The poor buggers changing the wheels that's who. Apologies, I was wrong. There's one permanent wheel lathe. Last year, in addition to the fixed wheel lathe there was a mobile one available. That's the one I was thinking of. However, the depot couldn't get it for this year. It's about time they invested in buying a wheel lathe for Cockfosters depot.
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Post by rheostar on Dec 1, 2016 8:29:27 GMT
Going very slightly off topic, does anyone know how the first fw trains from Heathrow of a weekday morning have been running please? Have they been running or have they been cancelled with a later start to the branch? The first trains have been running on their booked times to Heathrow. The cancellations have been mainly, but not all, worked onto the trains for the Rayners Lane branch. On the Rayners Lane branch, there's been a four train shuttle running. Three trains have started from South Harrow, one from Acton Town. The first one out of South Harrow has followed the normal times, 05:09 in the platform then worked to Acton Town. The other two have gone to Rayners Lane empty to reverse and come back in service. The one from Acton Town has run on the first train time (or near abouts).
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Post by class315 on Dec 1, 2016 13:37:51 GMT
There was a plan to have them running on the Picc if I remember Yes that was true indeed but a 1973 train went to Neasden Depot today for wheel turning i see. I knew I observed a 73 on the north end reception roads at Neasden, yesterday afternoon. I take it Neasden are now assisting in getting more bogies through the lathe. Are more planned to move?
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Post by metman on Dec 1, 2016 18:43:38 GMT
A dedicated RAT should be used for the line. The service is quite light on the Rayners branch so fitting it in should be ok.
The RAT could be formed from spare 1967/72 stock or a pair of battery locos or even the A stock?
An Acton to Rayners shuttle is probably a good compromise to get trains running again. What is the service interval 10-15 mins?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 20:12:37 GMT
The D RAT is going to be tested along the branch in cancelled engineering hours over a weekend. Originally this test was for S stocks running to Rayners Lane via Ealing Common but since the problems recently they have changed there programme and the D RAT will be running the test.
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Post by DWS on Dec 1, 2016 22:46:49 GMT
A dedicated RAT should be used for the line. The service is quite light on the Rayners branch so fitting it in should be ok. The RAT could be formed from spare 1967/72 stock or a pair of battery locos or even the A stock? An Acton to Rayners shuttle is probably a good compromise to get trains running again. What is the service interval 10-15 mins? Posters at Acton Town station say the shuttle is 15/20 mins. Rail replacement buses are also running .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 2:02:01 GMT
A dedicated RAT should be used for the line. The service is quite light on the Rayners branch so fitting it in should be ok. The RAT could be formed from spare 1967/72 stock or a pair of battery locos or even the A stock? An Acton to Rayners shuttle is probably a good compromise to get trains running again. What is the service interval 10-15 mins? Generally i've been sending them every 20 minutes both peak and off peak, if we had 5 trains 15 minutes have been possible
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 2, 2016 6:05:44 GMT
Why is the problem so much worse this year? Is the RAT not able to run as often?
If the problem is mainly on the Rayners branch, then I guess that by running a shuttle on that branch you are exposing fewer trains to the risk of damage.
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Post by philthetube on Dec 6, 2016 21:02:29 GMT
It strikes me that there is an argument to run all picc trains to Heathrow and give Acton to Raynors to the Met. This would created needed enhancements to the Heathrow service. I don't know the layout at Acton so don't know if this would cause difficulties, but I am sure that the clearance issues would not be huge on the scale of things.
The two drawbacks I see would be inconvenience to picc passengers having to change at Acton and the lack of Met stock. I wonder if this was thought about earlier.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Dec 6, 2016 21:15:53 GMT
It strikes me that there is an argument to run all picc trains to Heathrow and give Acton to Raynors to the Met. This would created needed enhancements to the Heathrow service. I don't know the layout at Acton so don't know if this would cause difficulties, but I am sure that the clearance issues would not be huge on the scale of things. The two drawbacks I see would be inconvenience to picc passengers having to change at Acton and the lack of Met stock. I wonder if this was thought about earlier. Acton to Rayners to the Met? How would that work? Don't you mean the District?
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Post by philthetube on Dec 6, 2016 21:43:21 GMT
Baker, Uxbridge Acton, Uxbridge Baker.
Admittedly District prob better though although may impact other district services,I don't know if Ealing Broadway could stand their probable loss of services, however either would increase Heathrow service.
Sorry Mods, probably should have opened new thread.
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Post by roythebus on Dec 7, 2016 12:01:08 GMT
I've just heard from Sullivan Buses that the bus service is to be extended to run until the 13th December. No doubt I'll be driving them this weekend!
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Post by DWS on Dec 7, 2016 17:52:52 GMT
I've just heard from Sullivan Buses that the bus service is to be extended to run until the 13th December. No doubt I'll be driving them this weekend! Do you know how many buses are running the replacement service and what company 's are running them ?
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Post by londoner on Dec 10, 2016 18:31:38 GMT
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Post by drainrat on Dec 11, 2016 13:15:23 GMT
Good article. Call me a cynic, but shock, horror, surprise......what a coincidence that stories are concocted about possible driver sabotage on a line where drivers had voted to take industrial action at just about the same time as the supposed sabotage was occurring.
I was told 2 weeks ago, by one young management grad, that they'd called in the BTP to investigate the Picc drivers. I can just imagine the interview now... Officer (to top): "so, did you put flats on the train by use of emergency brake?" Driver: "yes!" Officer: "Aha, so was your intentions on deliberate?" Driver: "well yes, of course they were!" Officer: "so you're admitting that you used the trains emergency brake by 'dropping' the handle on purpose?" Driver: "of course, why would I drop the handle for any other reason than as a deliberate, purposeful action?" Officer: "don't get funny with me sunshine! Why did you stop the train in emergency?" Driver: "Erm, well, because the normal EP application wasnt biting and the train wasn't slowing enough due to the leaves......." Officer: "now hold it there, are you telling me the leaves had something to do with it? Ere, George, this fella must think we were born yesterday!" ....and so on.
Joking aside, we have been getting a lot of young grads moving straight into middle management and above, who seem to tow the ES party line, conditioned by many years of old DMs modern propaganda techniques - I still remember having to deflect 2 months worth of post Chancery Lane investigation where aspersions were cast on the driver by the COO at the time (now MD) when in an interview, he said "......ultimately, it's the responsibility of the train driver!" And that is all people heard. As for the flats, I had to drive in CM on West Ruislip branch yesterday afternoon, both wb and eb. Prior to this, the train had been locking up in ATO due to the moisture and then rain. In CM it was all I could do to keep train under control, but I did cause I'm a professional train operator. The train was unusually temperamental, but suffice to say, a number of emergency brake applications were made, more than just a couple. Luckily, despite the amount of locking up and emergency brake applications made (in both modes), no flats were put on the train. Now if there was, and I was investigated and train download made, it would be very easy to claim I was deliberately trying to put flats on the train thus sabotage, when all I was doing was trying to keep the train safely under control.
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Post by PiccNT on Dec 11, 2016 20:40:02 GMT
We have 20 MPH TSR's in place in the majority of the open sections. The thinking behind this is that the rheo brake won't kick in at that speed as it is deemed that that is causing a problem. There is also talk of rewiring the braking so there is no rheo application in service brake 1 position.
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Post by drainrat on Dec 11, 2016 21:48:04 GMT
If my memory serves me right (from the 72 stock), the rheostatic brake works on the axle to reverse the turn of the wheel, it also kicks in to hold the train in the rheo 1 & hold position. So the view is the polarity being powerful enough to lock the wheels?
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Post by fish7373 on Dec 11, 2016 22:31:07 GMT
We have 20 MPH TSR's in place in the majority of the open sections. The thinking behind this is that the rheo brake won't kick in at that speed as it is deemed that that is causing a problem. There is also talk of rewiring the braking so there is no rheo application in service brake 1 position. HI you don`t have to rewire to cut the rheo brake out. On the old TEP AND CDU there was a cut out switch for the rheo brake long gone.
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Post by philthetube on Dec 11, 2016 23:01:02 GMT
With the 72 stock on the northern you could cut out the rheo by putting it in reverse, problems if you forgot to return to forward before departing the next station though.
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Post by roythebus on Dec 12, 2016 2:40:27 GMT
If my memory serves me right (from the 72 stock), the rheostatic brake works on the axle to reverse the turn of the wheel, it also kicks in to hold the train in the rheo 1 & hold position. So the view is the polarity being powerful enough to lock the wheels? If you read my earlier post regarding the 508s on the southern, I said there that the rheo brake on those was strong enough to make the wheels turn in reverse; so one can safey assume it is strong enough to lock the wheels too.
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Post by roythebus on Dec 12, 2016 2:44:44 GMT
I've just heard from Sullivan Buses that the bus service is to be extended to run until the 13th December. No doubt I'll be driving them this weekend! Do you know how many buses are running the replacement service and what company 's are running them ? Sullivan buses has the contract to run planned engineering work bus replacements, and as I understand it by default gets first refusal on any emergency work too. This applies to all TfL replacement contracts with all operators. Sullivans put out as many buses as they can, sufficient to provide an 8-10 minute headway all day until about 2100 when it drops to 10 minute headway, then 15 minute headway late evening. I understand TfL brought in other operators via Ensignbus for a few days. Buses came from Wessex, Bristol, Reading, RMs from Ensign and Red Routemaster Hire at Brentford; Cardinal Buses have been involved too. The Sunday service this weekend was all Sullivans. I've just got back from there and trains were running about every half hour AT-RL shuttle.
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Post by PiccNT on Dec 12, 2016 9:52:17 GMT
We have 20 MPH TSR's in place in the majority of the open sections. The thinking behind this is that the rheo brake won't kick in at that speed as it is deemed that that is causing a problem. There is also talk of rewiring the braking so there is no rheo application in service brake 1 position. HI you don`t have to rewire to cut the rheo brake out. On the old TEP AND CDU there was a cut out switch for the rheo brake long gone. We have no such cut out switch on the 73's. There are a couple of ways to stop the rheo applying but you wouldn't want to get caught doing so! Each train handles differently generally and if you get a particularly fast train, that generally means that the rheo is going to be pretty fierce so applying the minimum brake application in some instances will cause the wheels to lock. That's where braking technique comes into play.
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Post by fish7373 on Dec 12, 2016 12:17:05 GMT
HI you don`t have to rewire to cut the rheo brake out. On the old TEP AND CDU there was a cut out switch for the rheo brake long gone. We have no such cut out switch on the 73's. There are a couple of ways to stop the rheo applying but you wouldn't want to get caught doing so! Each train handles differently generally and if you get a particularly fast train, that generally means that the rheo is going to be pretty fierce so applying the minimum brake application in some instances will cause the wheels to lock. That's where braking technique comes into play. Hi yes you did years ago MOD and taken away because drivers always hand it cut, do you need photo evidence of this and how long have you been on the underground to not no this.
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