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Post by d78forlife on Apr 11, 2017 16:35:11 GMT
I think I might have seen the refurbished unit near Kilburn on Saturday, however I was on a passing (albeit rather slow moving) Met train at the time so can't give any proper opinions
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Post by tubetraveller on Apr 12, 2017 8:43:42 GMT
There's two of them out there now and a third one in the tent at Stratford now. Looks like they're planning to do one every four weeks now
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Post by zcap on Apr 12, 2017 19:32:45 GMT
There's two of them out there now and a third one in the tent at Stratford now. Looks like they're planning to do one every four weeks now Maybe a cheeky question, sorry if it breaks forum rules, and please remove if necessary. Can someone give us the numbers of which unit(s) have been already refurbed? |
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 12, 2017 19:59:31 GMT
There's two of them out there now and a third one in the tent at Stratford now. Looks like they're planning to do one every four weeks now Maybe a cheeky question, sorry if it breaks forum rules, and please remove if necessary. Can someone give us the numbers of which unit(s) have been already refurbed? , hopefully someone here has the answer! |
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 12, 2017 20:40:33 GMT
The first set is 96060+96005. Unsure of train 2 at the moment.
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Post by wimblephil on Apr 15, 2017 9:07:18 GMT
There's two of them out there now and a third one in the tent at Stratford now. Looks like they're planning to do one every four weeks now If one is completed every 4 weeks, how long will it be until the fleet is completed? And how long until 50% are so that there is (theoretically) more chance of getting one than not!? |
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Post by alpinejohn on Apr 16, 2017 8:00:54 GMT
There's two of them out there now and a third one in the tent at Stratford now. Looks like they're planning to do one every four weeks now If one is completed every 4 weeks, how long will it be until the fleet is completed? And how long until 50% are so that there is (theoretically) more chance of getting one than not!? The jubilee fleet comprises 63 x 7 car trains (after the 2005 upgrade. If you discount the 3 either complete or already being worked on, then the remaining 60 will take 60 months (5 years) if there is no change in the current completion rate. However it seems reasonable to assume the completion rate will pick-up as the supply chain and team doing the work become more familiar, so 5 years is probably quite pessimistic. |
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Post by wimblephil on Apr 16, 2017 17:27:26 GMT
If one is completed every 4 weeks, how long will it be until the fleet is completed? And how long until 50% are so that there is (theoretically) more chance of getting one than not!? The jubilee fleet comprises 63 x 7 car trains (after the 2005 upgrade. If you discount the 3 either complete or already being worked on, then the remaining 60 will take 60 months (5 years) if there is no change in the current completion rate. However it seems reasonable to assume the completion rate will pick-up as the supply chain and team doing the work become more familiar, so 5 years is probably quite pessimistic. Yes that would be a long time! I guess it will pick up a bit at some point... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 17:05:17 GMT
Don't forget that's 60 months if only one is done at a time.
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Post by alpinejohn on Apr 26, 2017 14:32:56 GMT
Don't forget that's 60 months if only one is done at a time. I guess you could also shorten the timescale if you skip updating the four brand new 7 car trains added to the fleet in 2005? so about 9 years younger. When the additional trains first arrived they really stood out as brand new compared with the rest of the 96 stock - but by now I would be hard pressed to spot any material difference in terms of wear and tear or cleanliness, hence I had assumed the whole fleet will be done eventually. |
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 26, 2017 14:35:43 GMT
Don't forget that's 60 months if only one is done at a time. I guess you could also shorten the timescale if you skip updating the four brand new 7 car trains added to the fleet in 2005? so about 9 years younger. When the additional trains first arrivead they really stood out as brand new compared with the rest of the 96 stock - but by now I would be hard pressed to spot any material difference in terms of wear and tear or cleanliness, hence I had assumed the whole fleet will be done eventually. all the trains need to be compliant |
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 26, 2017 14:37:24 GMT
The plan is to increase output to one train every two weeks in the near future, now that the concept has been proven and staff are getting into the routine.
The programme shoild be complete by mid-2019, in time for the deadline.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 17:27:05 GMT
The quality of the upgrade does not appear to be to the same level (not to say it's bad) as that on the Northern line stock. It looks to be a lick of paint, literally. Some of the grey paint was visible on the black window seals. I thought the interior covers were replaced rather than painted over, I understood that's what happened on the Northern line but maybe not? I was on one of the upgraded Jubilee cars today and noticed some of the white paint coming off to reveal the old greenish colour. Not sure how long it will last!
That being said the cars look much more bright and fresh, also had a nice new smell.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Apr 26, 2017 19:17:58 GMT
The quality of the upgrade does not appear to be to the same level (not to say it's bad) as that on the Northern line stock. It looks to be a lick of paint, literally. Some of the grey paint was visible on the black window seals. I thought the interior covers were replaced rather than painted over, I understood that's what happened on the Northern line but maybe not? I was on one of the upgraded Jubilee cars today and noticed some of the white paint coming off to reveal the old greenish colour. Not sure how long it will last! That being said the cars look much more bright and fresh, also had a nice new smell. I've noticed the sloppiness as well. On the Northern 95s the inside of the doors were given a grey film, rather than being painted, for example. |
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Post by Alight on Apr 27, 2017 12:43:57 GMT
Not to mention the Northern line received useful door indicators in place of the defunct buttons
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Apr 28, 2017 11:00:59 GMT
Not to mention the Northern line received useful door indicators in place of the defunct buttons Were they ever used? If so, why did this go out of fashion. And if not, why did LT (presumably) ask for them? |
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Post by punkman on Apr 28, 2017 11:26:06 GMT
The first set is 96060+96005. Unsure of train 2 at the moment. The second is 96121/122. These are a pair of the "newer" units, delivered around the time of the seventh car upgrade at the end of 2005 from memory. I think it's purely coincidental they are still in the same pairing as when delivered, as I'm sure they must have been separated at some stage of their life. |
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Post by towerman on Apr 28, 2017 15:52:56 GMT
The first set is 96060+96005. Unsure of train 2 at the moment. The second is 96121/122. These are a pair of the "newer" units, delivered around the time of the seventh car upgrade at the end of 2005 from memory. I think it's purely coincidental they are still in the same pairing as when delivered, as I'm sure they must have been separated at some stage of their life. For some reason the fleet staff keep these four trains seperate from the rest of the fleet. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 28, 2017 16:08:01 GMT
The second is 96121/122. These are a pair of the "newer" units, delivered around the time of the seventh car upgrade at the end of 2005 from memory. I think it's purely coincidental they are still in the same pairing as when delivered, as I'm sure they must have been separated at some stage of their life. For some reason the fleet staff keep these four trains seperate from the rest of the fleet. Presumably because being younger they will be at a different point in their maintenance cycles? |
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Post by phoenixcronin on Apr 28, 2017 16:41:22 GMT
The second is 96121/122. These are a pair of the "newer" units, delivered around the time of the seventh car upgrade at the end of 2005 from memory. I think it's purely coincidental they are still in the same pairing as when delivered, as I'm sure they must have been separated at some stage of their life. For some reason the fleet staff keep these four trains seperate from the rest of the fleet. This is no longer the case however, as the original units have been coupled to the 2005 build units in recent times. |
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Post by A60stock on Apr 28, 2017 18:16:48 GMT
what I never understood is why the newer 2005 units use the same traction package as the original batch. Surely this was well obsolete at the time!
Will the additional trains being added in the future have a different traction package?
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Post by Tubeboy on Apr 28, 2017 19:21:11 GMT
what I never understood is why the newer 2005 units use the same traction package as the original batch. Surely this was well obsolete at the time! Will the additional trains being added in the future have a different traction package? Small non standard fleet, which would result in two different maintenance regimes, fleet staff having to be trained on both fleets. Higher costs too. Best to have one fleet as standard. |
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Post by A60stock on Apr 29, 2017 2:30:13 GMT
What differences will the new soon to come additions to the fleet have externally?
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 29, 2017 6:42:16 GMT
What differences will the new soon to come additions to the fleet have externally? Hardly soon to be delivered. An order would need to be placed. |
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Post by tubetraveller on Apr 29, 2017 7:25:10 GMT
What differences will the new soon to come additions to the fleet have externally? They're being ordered to be exact clones, so they'll probably just be cleaner |
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Post by phoenixcronin on May 1, 2017 16:35:10 GMT
Interesting... I was on the other refurbed unit (not 96005+96060) and the paint job seemed to be of a much higher standard! No overspray/sloppiness etc. Seems a bit hit and miss
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Post by punkman on May 5, 2017 10:41:31 GMT
Noted out and about yesterday (Thursday 4th) was the third completed pair, 96125 / 96126.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 11:35:48 GMT
@hassaanhch posted this on twitter last night, Something clearly went awry on 96120. 
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 2, 2017 12:03:35 GMT
Hopefully the spec has changed. It's clearly an improvement, but still extremely drab.
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Post by tubetraveller on Jun 2, 2017 12:14:23 GMT
@hassaanhch posted this on twitter last night, Something clearly went awry on 96120. Starting with 96120 and 96119 they're being painted with a lighter colour around the windows. The previous ones will be repainted eventually |
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