Will the Thameslink routes in London be shown on the LU map?

Indeed a very nice alternative. It works on so many levels and does a good job of rearranging the suburban lines in the South.
It would also simplify further when the Overground expands in the future.
If you look carefully, the DLR network has also been sorted to each of it's individual lines.

It's good, but it would be clearer if SE's Charing Cross, Cannon Street and Victoria services were in more contrasting colours. Likewise Southern's Victoria and London Bridge services.

15 September 2020:

www.london.gov.uk/questions/2020/3238

8th October 2020:










www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/home/

All it needs now is an 'integrated' title.

'Thames line'?

Mistakes:
- In the "check before you travel" section, one full stop is missing at the end of the sentence for Heathrow Terminal 4.

Comments about the new map:

I am very bit surprised by the unnecessary length of the interchange symbol at Blackfriars. Since the station has an exit on both sides of the river, they could have reduced the length of the interchange by showing instead a connection to the northern most entrance. This would place the icon north of the river and actually better reflect where the entrance to the tube station is as well (northern exit).

I am also surprised they chose to include parts of Thameslink which do not have a "turn up and go" frequency. I would have thought that simply adding what was previously on the map would have been sufficient.

Interestingly, Catford has a rail symbol, even though it is an interchange with another station, Catford Bridge. The interchange at Sudbury Hill with Sudbury Hill Harrow is omitted but Sudbury Hill has no rail symbol. A quick glance at an earlier timetable suggests all Thameslink services call at this station and the next northbound and southbound ones so I don't believe there are faster services available from here:
www.thameslinkrailway.com/timetables?stationid=2376c7efed614b12a90a259398f2fc49

Also interestingly, Bellingham lacks a rail symbol, despite faster services sometimes available from this station. This is in comparison to Edmonton Green and Seven Sisters which do have a rail symbol presumably to reflect that faster services are available here.

Recurring comments:

The colour for the "Oyster not valid" is very poor. It is not easily visible on the online map so people with visual impairments will struggle greatly to distinguish it.

There is still no indication that travelling to Heathrow via TfL rail is much more expensive. There is no indication about what the different river boat symbols mean. I am not sure where I would go to find out either.

Based on the rail symbol stuff above, I have wondered what the frequency requirement is to have a railway symbol because Chorleywood does not have one but has two southbound trains in the peaks which do not call at Rickmansworth (0738 and 0845 weekdays):
www.chilternrailways.co.uk/sites/default/files/MONDAY-FRIDAY-Interim-Timetable-London-Amersham-Aylesbury-V4_23.pdf

An earlier timetable, the 0739 and 0846 train weekdays:
www.chilternrailways.co.uk/sites/default/files/CR1912_DL_BOOK_COMPILED_WEB.pdf

West Brompton has a rail symbol, even though all Southern northbound and southbound trains from here appear to call at Shepherd's Bush and Imperial Wharf:
www.southernrailway.com/-/media/goahead/gtr-all-timetables/coronavirus-timetables-from-7-september-2020/q-v2.pdf?la=en

I've looked at TfL's River Services Map, and cross referenced the Thames Clippers map, and I can find no correlation between the not circled river boat symbols and the River Bus services (ie non-River tours), nor with non-accessible piers (being Cadogan, Wandsworth Riverside Quarter, and London Bridge City).

Twelve months is what the TL person I saw interviewed about it say, presumably in Geoff Marshall's video.

toby and rapidtransitman the riverboat symbols don't look at first glance to have changed from the May map. If that is the case then the criteria for getting an interchange symbol is as is shown in the key - under a 10 minute walk from the station (note that every circled boat has a walk line interchange, and no uncircled ones do). Piers that are further away than 10 minutes walk get the symbol with no circle. For example Canary Wharf pier is over 10 minutes walk from Canary Wharf JLE station (Google gives 8 minutes walk from the pier entrance to the DLR station entrance, but that ignores road crossing time).

The southwest end of the map is a bit of a mess thanks to the Tram fare zone mixing with Thameslink, I feel like it could have been handled a bit better!

All the changes I've noted between the May and December 2020 digital tube maps:

Thameslink has been added, in consequence:
* All station labels Finchley Central-High Barnet inclusive moved to left of line
* Mill Hill East branch significantly shortened, West Finchley moved northwards and gaps between stations north of Finchley Central compressed to accommodate this. (High Barnet station has not moved).
* Colindale move north-west
* Hendon Central label moved to right of line, Zone 3 label moved east to accommodate.
* Crouch Hill moved south-west
* West Hampstead label moved west and loses double arrow. Kilburn moved north-west to accommodate this.
* Zone 5 label moved from north of High Barnet to north-east of Edgware. Zone 6 and 7 labels moved from top edge of map to north-west of Edgware. Zone 8 label moved from top edge of map to west of Bushey and Watford High Street.
* Finsbury Park area:
** Piccadilly and Victoria lines now directly adjacent rather than separated,
** Finsbury Park station moved south-west and now has one blob rather than two for LU.
** Arsenal and Holloway Road moved south-west to accommodate move of Finsbury Park.
* Northern line Bank branch (north of London Bridge), SSR (Farringdon-Moorgate), King's Cross, Angel, Old Street, Moorgate, Bank, Monument, Liverpool Street, Barbican, Farringdon and St. Paul's all move east (the distance between Moorgate and Liverpool Street remains constant)
* Chancery Lane moves a short distance north west, and its label moves onto 2 lines south of the line. Coven Garden moves south west and Holborn's label moves from south east to north west of the blob in consequence.
* The north-south section of the Piccadilly Line between Holborn and King's Cross moves slightly west. Russel Square moves west in consequence but also slightly south.
* Liverpool Street label moves further away from station blobs (this looks like an error - it's now equidistant to the Aldgate blob)
* Central line now bends beneath Bank blob not east of it and very nearly overlaps Shoreditch High Street label.
* Temple moves a long way west (was above the "en", now above the "m")
* Blackfriars (station and pier) move south-west by a similar distance). Double arrow symbol moved to above rather than after end of label.
* Mansion House tick moves slightly south west and label moved onto two lines.
* Cannon Street moves slightly north east (one bend on Thameslink could have been removed by putting the Cannon Street label on two lines and moving Mansion House north east).
* Elephant and Castle moves slightly north east. Lambeth North's label moves onto 2 lines.
* As a consequence of the Bank station move, the W&C now bends north of the river rather than south of it.
* London Bridge station moved slightly south east, and Northern line now bends north rather than south of the station. As a consequence of this the pier is now north rather than north east of the station.
* Bermondsey, Canada Water and Canary Wharf Jubilee all move south slightly. This means the Jubilee line bends south west of the North Greenwich station blob rather than under it.
* Heron Quays to Crossharbour all move slightly south and slightly closer together (Island Gardens doesn't move, but Crossharbour does move closer).
* The same happens with Greenwich to Lewisham.
* New Cross and New Cross Gate both move north slightly. Brockley moves north a shorter distance (presumably to even out the station intervals).
* Woolwich Arsenal moves a long way west - the DLR branch now turns south after West Silvertown rather than after King George V. West Silvertown also moves south-east (presumably so all the gaps between there and King George V are about even)
* Zone three label moves from east of Greenwich to south of North Greenwich.
* East Croydon and Lebanon Road move east slightly. The label for the former changes from centre aligned to left aligned and the double arrow moves from the start of the first line to a new third line.
* Crystal Palace moves slight south west. Norwood Junction label moves from east to north-east of blob, and Anerley moves north in consequence.
* the Zone 3 label west of Sydenham moves north slightly.
* Brixton moves north-west quite a way and the double arrow moves onto a new second line (this change is far in excess of what was required to accommodate Thameslink)
* The labels for Kennington and Oval move from south east to north west of the line.
* Denmark Hill moves a considerable way north and slightly east, introducing a new double bend in the line between there and Clapham High Street.
* Peckham Rye and Queen's Road Peckham move north east and south west respectively, becoming much closer together. The labels change from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 lines respectively.
* Mitcham Junction to Ampere Way all move east a short distance but the gaps between them remain the same meaning the Mitcham to Mitcham Junction and Ampere Way to Waddon Marsh gaps increase and decrease in consequence.
* Morden and Colliers wood move north east a way, the label for the latter moves onto two lines. South Wimbledon is unchanged.
* Tooting Broadway moves significantly north east, much closer to Tooting Bec. Tooting Bec and Balham also move north east but only slightly.
* Merton Park, Dundonald Road and the tram blob at Wimbledon all move south east. The LU blob at Wimbledon moves very slightly south.
* The zone 3 label north of Tramlink moves east from above Beddington Lane to above Therapia Lane. Zone 4 gains a label north of Ampere Way. Zone 2 gains a label north of the line between Clapham Junction and Wandsworth Road.

Changes (probably) unrelated to Thameslink being added.
* Heathrow Terminal 4 is crossed out and gains a blue dagger
* Langley no longer step free.
* "Transport for London December 2020" watermarks added: one running diagonally between Reading and North Ealing labels, the other east of and parallel to the District Line between Plaistow and Upminster Bridge.
* Hampstead Heath moved west.
* The zone 5 label south of Crystal Palace moves west (previously it, the Crystal Palace label and the Z3 label north of there were all centre aligned. Now the Z5 is aligned to the left of the Crystal Palace label while the 3 remains aligned with the centre).

Worth noting also that the onwards arrows for Thameslink are shown in three different ways:
* In the north (towards St. Albans/Luton and towards Welwyn GC) it's in a white area explicitly labelled "Outside fare zones" adjacent to a thin grey zone 8. The white area also includes Watford Junction station.
* In the south east (towards Gravesend and towards Sevenoaks) they are in an unlabelled grey area immediately east of an unlabelled, pencil thin white strip that separates it from grey zone 8. The last stations are both in the Z8 area.
* In the south it's in a grey area labelled as zone 6 that also includes Coulsdon South and Purley.

Hard to think of a messier way of adding it to be honest.

Given the intention was to display an alternative route to using the tube in social distancing/lockdown/COVID-19/whatever conditions, it hardly looks credible as such, with the way it meanders over the map.

Honestly I think it's time the tube map had an overhaul. The powers that be have decreed this and that be added to it until it reaches breaking point.

I think the Thameslink shows the problem - unbroken straight lines imply direct/fastest route. There is no way that the Thameslink is the slowest route, so the central shape of the circle will have to be changed, which is a pretty major step as it is the central reference in the map.

On a detailed level, I am trying to work out why the Thameslink comes back to the left south of City Thameslink. You could also probably make it less wiggly-woggly by moving KX/StP closer to the elbow in the subsurface lines.

Until we all have hologram devices that allow multiple levels to work intuitively, it's always going to be a compromise, but they are stretching the basic concept quite hard now