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Post by superteacher on Oct 22, 2007 22:45:01 GMT
Does anyone know of (or have) any pictures of the Northern City Line in the 60s / 70s, before it passed to BR control? I'm too young to remember what the stations / signage looked like before the changeover, although I do have many pics of the 1938 stock which operated the line in those days.
What was the stations decor like at the tunnel stations, and were they tungsten lit?
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 22, 2007 23:49:45 GMT
In the 60s/70s they were a mix of both tungsten and flourescent lighting. Why do you ask, just out of interest?
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Post by superteacher on Oct 23, 2007 0:00:36 GMT
In the 60s/70s they were a mix of both tungsten and flourescent lighting. Why do you ask, just out of interest? When I was young, I used to live near Old Street station, and would often use the main Northerl line (with parents / grandparents etc). I often wondered what the "other line" was that went through the station, but never used it until I was old enough to use the system on my own. The line has a kind of eerie feel about it, probably in part due to the Moorgate disaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2007 4:15:49 GMT
Great, this thread gives an opportunity to re-show CSLR's superb photo of 'standard' stock at Moorgate in 1966 - 9 years before the tragic accident. He says it was one of the first tube photos he took.  |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 23, 2007 9:54:46 GMT
Top picture.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2007 11:28:17 GMT
Interesting that it's Standard stock at Moorgate.
I had thought that the Northern City was run as part of the Northern, and used 38TS from when the original stock was discarded by LT.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 23, 2007 11:46:41 GMT
Interesting that it's Standard stock at Moorgate. I had thought that the Northern City was run as part of the Northern, and used 38TS from when the original stock was discarded by LT. It was the last line to operate Standard stock - 1938 stock took over in October 1966. Since starting this thread, have found pictures of the platforms at Old Street, Essex Road and Highbury and Islington on the LT Museum site, taken in 1975 just before the transfer to BR. All tungsten lit, and it amazed me just how bare and desolate the platforms were - no advertising and very little of anything really. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2007 15:36:17 GMT
In the 60s/70s they were a mix of both tungsten and flourescent lighting. Why do you ask, just out of interest? The line has a kind of eerie feel about it, probably in part due to the Moorgate disaster. wonder if there were any ghost reports at moorgate platform 9 |
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Post by railtechnician on Oct 23, 2007 17:29:37 GMT
The line has a kind of eerie feel about it, probably in part due to the Moorgate disaster. wonder if there were any ghost reports at moorgate platform 9 It is a bit eerie as is the disused passageway leading down to it from beneath the Met outer rail platform. I have heard of ghosts at many stations but not Moorgate, a station which I have explored endlessly on several jobs. It was the first station I ever worked nights at in 1977 and the last time I worked there would've been in the early 1990s. Brian |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 23, 2007 17:38:32 GMT
wonder if there were any ghost reports at moorgate platform 9 It is a bit eerie as is the disused passageway leading down to it from beneath the Met outer rail platform. I have heard of ghosts at many stations but not Moorgate, a station which I have explored endlessly on several jobs. It was the first station I ever worked nights at in 1977 and the last time I worked there would've been in the early 1990s. Brian Where was this passageway, and where on the Northern City platforms did it come out? Some of the passageways at Old Street are quite eerie - the one that leads from the old lift shaft to the NC platforms has a bend half way along, and then at the end there is a flight of steps UP to the platforms. It was especially spooky in the late evenings, although of course nowadays the service doesn't run after 9pm. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2007 17:53:17 GMT
I do have to say I love that picture. Its a shame there are no working Standard stock trains still in working order (like the 38TS at Acton).
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Post by railtechnician on Oct 24, 2007 5:37:53 GMT
It is a bit eerie as is the disused passageway leading down to it from beneath the Met outer rail platform. I have heard of ghosts at many stations but not Moorgate, a station which I have explored endlessly on several jobs. It was the first station I ever worked nights at in 1977 and the last time I worked there would've been in the early 1990s. Brian Where was this passageway, and where on the Northern City platforms did it come out? Some of the passageways at Old Street are quite eerie - the one that leads from the old lift shaft to the NC platforms has a bend half way along, and then at the end there is a flight of steps UP to the platforms. It was especially spooky in the late evenings, although of course nowadays the service doesn't run after 9pm. The passageway is behind a door off the subway between the outer rail and inner rail platforms. It has for many years been the main cable route between the Met platforms and the Northern platforms and comes out at the ends of the NC platforms through an old dusty gate as I recall although that was 15+ years ago. Along the passageway are the entrances to the lower landings of the old lift shafts which are capped off in the ticket hall, in fact if you are buying a ticket you are standing directly over the shafts! I surveyed this entire area in depth when I was working on the CrossRail project. I never found Old St. eerie at all, the last time I worked there was when the tunnel was being relined, replacing corroded segments, in the early 1990s. I diverted much of the cabling between Old St. and Moorgate but it was odd hearing civil contractors working behind the segments and then strange to see light through the joints and strangest of all was when the first segment was removed a few yards from where I was working to reveal the new tunnel built around the existing one! Brian |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 15:33:07 GMT
The passageway is behind a door off the subway between the outer rail and inner rail platforms. It has for many years been the main cable route between the Met platforms and the Northern platforms and comes out at the ends of the NC platforms through an old dusty gate as I recall although that was 15+ years ago. Unfortunately the passage can no longer be used as its now sealed up due to asbestos. You can still get in from both sides but can't go from one to the other. That gate is still there and probably still as hard to open as it was when you were there. Access to some old passageways down there have also been closed off with wire mesh. Moorgate is a hive of hidden passages, it's just a shame it's not as easy to explore as it used to be. |
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Post by railtechnician on Oct 24, 2007 17:18:03 GMT
Unfortunately the passage can no longer be used as its now sealed up due to asbestos. You can still get in from both sides but can't go from one to the other. That gate is still there and probably still as hard to open as it was when you were there. Access to some old passageways down there have also been closed off with wire mesh. Moorgate is a hive of hidden passages, it's just a shame it's not as easy to explore as it used to be. I think I pretty much explored the whole of Moorgate on several jobs over the years. As regards the subway, if CrossRail is built as originally planned it will disappear anyway with a ticket hall like the bullring at Kings Cross built beneath the Met platforms. The asbestos I suspect will be the ceiling panels which were removed frequently to run cables from the Met to the Northern. The walkway at the west end over all 6 platforms is interesting especially since the widened lines was overhead electrified and also the area behind the outer rail platform. The bottom of the old lifts and the old lift landing accessed from the staircase down to the Northern platforms was used by P-Way and other departments for storage and contains switchrooms and a CER just as many disused areas of stations do nowadays. The CER is actually built in a passageway to one of the old lower landings but the last time I was there about 12 years ago the remaining narrow accessway although not fenced was signposted dangerous and the area was part flooded. There is one area that I didn't get to explore because it is technically not 'in' the station but outside it and the train taking me to Moorgate was delayed and I missed the meeting! That area is accessed through the basements of shops and gives access to the original retaining walls behind platform 6 as I understand it. Brian |
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Post by pie83 on Oct 27, 2007 14:58:48 GMT
When I joined LU about 3 years ago I was taken on as 'escalator staff' at Moorgate... While Escalators 1 & 2 were taken out passengers were directed to the Northern Line via the WAGN (Now First Capital Connect) platforms. There had to be a member of LU staff on those platforms at all times to assist so I spent hours down there. I never experienced anything eerie or strange but some of my colleagues took photos of the headwall and orbs are visible in the prints.
Also in the disused at Moorgate is an area (looks like an old section of tunnel) where you stand at a certain point and shout, you get a really strange echo. And a tiny room, where I've been told a homeless guy lived and died. There are still pictures/stickers on the walls, writing and crosses/crucifixes on the wall.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 27, 2007 15:27:19 GMT
Standing on platform 9 is a bit of an experience, simply because of the thought of what happended there. I'm surprised there is no plaque there, remembering all of the victims of the crash.
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Post by littlecog on Oct 30, 2007 4:15:20 GMT
Also in the disused at Moorgate is an area (looks like an old section of tunnel) where you stand at a certain point and shout, you get a really strange echo. And a tiny room, where I've been told a homeless guy lived and died. There are still pictures/stickers on the walls, writing and crosses/crucifixes on the wall. I wonder if this is where the makers of Creep imdb.com/title/tt0381966/ got the idea from... they have a homeless couple living in part of Charing Cross, just along from the Jubilee Line escalators. (I watched it and wished I hadn't.) |
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Post by railtechnician on Oct 30, 2007 16:50:47 GMT
Also in the disused at Moorgate is an area (looks like an old section of tunnel) where you stand at a certain point and shout, you get a really strange echo. And a tiny room, where I've been told a homeless guy lived and died. There are still pictures/stickers on the walls, writing and crosses/crucifixes on the wall. I wonder if this is where the makers of Creep imdb.com/title/tt0381966/ got the idea from... they have a homeless couple living in part of Charing Cross, just along from the Jubilee Line escalators. (I watched it and wished I hadn't.) I thought Creep was a great movie, it was nice to see again some of the locations that I had explored and worked in, in past years. Some of it was easily recognised as Charing Cross and some I am sure was at Aldwych. Even after the JLE was running I still regularly did point maintenance in the sidings at Charing Cross which have turnouts 1 and 10 IIRC. The sidings of course are where the murderer in the film chops up the male 'friend' of the female victim. I've walked to the ends of those sidings, no murderer and no exits though I can't now recall if there is a bolthole between the two. Brian |
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Post by hobbayne on Oct 31, 2007 15:08:00 GMT
Great, this thread gives an opportunity to re-show CSLR's superb photo of 'standard' stock at Moorgate in 1966 - 9 years before the tragic accident. He says it was one of the first tube photos he took. Is this platform 9 or 10?? |
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Post by metman on Oct 31, 2007 16:32:12 GMT
10 at a guess!
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Post by superteacher on Oct 31, 2007 17:47:37 GMT
That is platform 9 - you can tell by the location of the exit, and the odd shaped overrun tunnel, which is of course where the crash happened.
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