Dom K
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Post by Dom K on Feb 27, 2016 20:36:37 GMT
Mod comment. We are are starting to head off topic, let's get back to the topic. There are other threads to discuss the panels etc of stock.
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 28, 2016 8:35:21 GMT
There is logic in doing the W&C early as it will provide an opportunity to test fully automatic operation ahead of the other lines.
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Post by londoner on May 1, 2016 19:30:04 GMT
Will the New Tube for London project alleviate the congestion at Acton Town or make things worse?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 4, 2016 15:18:07 GMT
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Post by patrickb on Aug 4, 2016 18:50:53 GMT
TfL needs to change the name. New Tube For London? really? How 'new' will it sound once these units reach 40 years in service. It's a name adapted from a previous failed project from a previous failing mayor.
There wasn't any problem naming the Victoria Line stock '2009 Stock' 2 to 3 years before Bombardier starting manufacturing... What about 2023 Stock? or Standard Stock MkII
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Post by will on Aug 4, 2016 19:41:04 GMT
TfL needs to change the name. New Tube For London? really? How 'new' will it sound once these units reach 40 years in service. It's a name adapted from a previous failed project from a previous failing mayor. There wasn't any problem naming the Victoria Line stock '2009 Stock' 2 to 3 years before Bombardier starting manufacturing... What about 2023 Stock? or Standard Stock MkII Well given how TFL have been renaming projects lately (SSR upgrade into "4 Lines Modernisation" and Croxley Rail link into the "Metropolitan Line Extension" it likely wont be long before they rename the NTFL project with some other ghastly name like D stock for deep tube - I sadly wouldn't put it past them . The best we can reasonably hope for is something along the lines of the 2023 stock once someone makes their mind up when it is to be delivered.
Just as a matter of interest how to train stocks get their title i.e 2009 stock?
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Post by superteacher on Aug 4, 2016 19:46:02 GMT
TfL needs to change the name. New Tube For London? really? How 'new' will it sound once these units reach 40 years in service. It's a name adapted from a previous failed project from a previous failing mayor. There wasn't any problem naming the Victoria Line stock '2009 Stock' 2 to 3 years before Bombardier starting manufacturing... What about 2023 Stock? or Standard Stock MkII Well given how TFL have been renaming projects lately (SSR upgrade into "4 Lines Modernisation" and Croxley Rail link into the "Metropolitan Line Extension" it likely wont be long before they rename the NTFL project with some other ghastly name like D stock for deep tube - I sadly wouldn't put it past them . The best we can reasonably hope for is something along the lines of the 2023 stock once someone makes their mind up when it is to be delivered.
Just as a matter of interest how to train stocks get their title i.e 2009 stock?
Normally named after the year when the stock is meant to enter service, although it doesn't always work that way: 1972 stock entered service in 1972' although the Mk2 units on the Bakerloo began in 1973 1973 stock was 1975 1992 stock was renamed from 1990 stock, and entered service in 1993 1995 stock was 1998 1996 stock was 1997 2009 stock was originally 2006 stock, and entered service in 2009.
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Post by domh245 on Aug 4, 2016 20:01:49 GMT
And in addition to that, all Sub Surface stock has had a relevant letter(s) + a year to denote them instead.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 4, 2016 20:28:37 GMT
And in addition to that, all Sub Surface stock has had a relevant letter(s) + a year to denote them instead. Although the S stock doesn't have a year attached to it. Nor, I believe, did the CO / CP stock.
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Post by domh245 on Aug 4, 2016 20:51:11 GMT
And in addition to that, all Sub Surface stock has had a relevant letter(s) + a year to denote them instead. Although the S stock doesn't have a year attached to it. Nor, I believe, did the CO / CP stock. Good point. Indeed having actually looked into it, it seems that only G, Q, R, A, C, and D stock have had the year included in their name, leaving the original District and Met stock, M/N, CO/CP stock without
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 4, 2016 21:47:41 GMT
it seems that only G, Q, R, A, C, and D stock have had the year included in their name, That was because, with the exception of D stock, each of those types had vehicles of different ages in their fleets. They had the same letter to indicate which cars were compatible for coupling purposes (Not sure about G stock - I think the two cars used for the South Acton Shuttle were given a special name) Q stock included some new cars (Q38) similar in appearance to the O and P stocks, and some converted from older G, K, L, M and N stocks which became Q23, Q27, Q31 and Q35 stock. R stock included some converted Q38 stock (R38) and some new cars R47, R49 and R59. The R49 and R59 cars differed from the erarlier ones in being aluminium rather than steel bodied. A and C stock both had two separate builds, A60/62; C69/77.
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Post by Antje on Aug 4, 2016 22:03:45 GMT
TfL needs to change the name. New Tube For London? really? How 'new' will it sound once these units reach 40 years in service. It's a name adapted from a previous failed project from a previous failing mayor. There wasn't any problem naming the Victoria Line stock '2009 Stock' 2 to 3 years before Bombardier starting manufacturing... What about 2023 Stock? or Standard Stock MkII I expect that it will receive a year designation once it reaches roll-out.
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Post by metman on Aug 6, 2016 11:20:39 GMT
Seems to make sense.
The whole designation for sub surface trains came about in 1938 with the Q stock. Prior to this date stocks were given all sorts of names like BTH stock, local stock and a myriad names for the separate former Met Rly stock.
I believe numbers came in when the G-M stock was converted to Q stock. It was initially called Q converted but the year of construction was eventually used and LTPB never looked back.....
The two Acton shuttle cars were converted and given the G23 name in 1941. O/P Metadyne stock had six P1 cars which operated in two car A end positions and didn't receive guards panels until 1964.
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Post by brigham on Aug 8, 2016 12:03:51 GMT
TfL needs to change the name. New Tube For London? really? How 'new' will it sound once these units reach 40 years in service. It's a name adapted from a previous failed project from a previous failing mayor. There wasn't any problem naming the Victoria Line stock '2009 Stock' 2 to 3 years before Bombardier starting manufacturing... What about 2023 Stock? or Standard Stock MkII Units? Is 'New Tube For London' the name for the rolling stock? I thought it was yet another glib, crackpot name for Crossrail. 'New Trains for London Tube' would surely make more sense.
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Post by patrickb on Aug 8, 2016 18:57:24 GMT
TfL needs to change the name. New Tube For London? really? How 'new' will it sound once these units reach 40 years in service. It's a name adapted from a previous failed project from a previous failing mayor. There wasn't any problem naming the Victoria Line stock '2009 Stock' 2 to 3 years before Bombardier starting manufacturing... What about 2023 Stock? or Standard Stock MkII Units? Is 'New Tube For London' the name for the rolling stock? I thought it was yet another glib, crackpot name for Crossrail. 'New Trains for London Tube' would surely make more sense. The name is certainly appearing more often on railway and news articles as well as from TfL itself. Like the NBfL, if it's a name that catches on, regardless of it's meaning or importance. One only wonders what the future will be for the Boris-bus, NBfL or NewRM. I wouldn't mind 2023 Tube Stock.
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