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Post by snoggle on Nov 20, 2015 0:13:49 GMT
Looks like there is a Crossrail publicity effort today with the embargo coming off at midnight. It gives the first artists impressions of the exterior and interiors of the new Class 345 trains. There will be a mixed seating layout as per S Stock. Mayorwatch articleThere is also a Youtube video. EDIT - also some larger and other images on London Reconnections |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 13:58:39 GMT
They look great, I was expecting some horrible bright coloured hand rails inside, not dark grey/light grey. I hope the comments on London Reconnections are right, and they don't have to suddenly throw a bucket of yellow paint onto the front!
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Post by phoenixcronin on Nov 20, 2015 22:08:45 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 20, 2015 22:32:16 GMT
If these do not have yellow fronts then Heathrow Express will want to remove the yellow from their fronts too. As I understand it, their original plan was also for black fronts, but they were told in no uncertain terms that without yellow fronts their trains would not be permitted on the mainline railway.
Simon
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Post by domh245 on Nov 20, 2015 22:34:06 GMT
From what I've gathered, they are going to be plug doors. Whilst they might be slow, it's been reasoned that compared with thameslink, it'll be fine. Doors will have been specified with an opening time of such and such, and it will have been up to the manufacturer to determine what best fits that requirement. In the case of the 700s, because they are wider doors, the pop-out time that you have with plug doors would be problematic, but with the crossrail doors (which are narrower) it won't be as much as an issue, as there is less lateral travel. I expect door operation times to be more or less the same for both stocks.
I personally don't mind the front of the stock, and think that now it's no longer a requirement to have the yellow panels, it looks a lot better. I still think it is one of those things that will grow on people in time.
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Post by domh245 on Nov 20, 2015 22:37:44 GMT
If these do not have yellow fronts then Heathrow Express will want to remove the yellow from their fronts too. As I understand it, their original plan was also for black fronts, but they were told in no uncertain terms that without yellow fronts their trains would not be permitted on the mainline railway. Simon At the time, that was the requirement for UK stock. They had to have a yellow panel of 1m 2 but since then, with the onset of High Intensity Discharge headlamps, it has been deemed surplus to requirements (assuming that the stock also has a top level marker light/cyclops light, so that it can be recognised as a train) and will cease to be a requirement at some point in mid-March next year. I would expect HEx to keep the yellow panels on their trains until they carry out a livery change, which would be a slightly more logical point to change this. |
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 20, 2015 22:45:39 GMT
If these do not have yellow fronts then Heathrow Express will want to remove the yellow from their fronts too. As I understand it, their original plan was also for black fronts, but they were told in no uncertain terms that without yellow fronts their trains would not be permitted on the mainline railway. Simon At the time, that was the requirement for UK stock. They had to have a yellow panel of 1m 2 but since then, with the onset of High Intensity Discharge headlamps, it has been deemed surplus to requirements (assuming that the stock also has a top level marker light/cyclops light, so that it can be recognised as a train) and will cease to be a requirement at some point in mid-March next year. I would expect HEx to keep the yellow panels on their trains until they carry out a livery change, which would be a slightly more logical point to change this. Thanks. I did not know this. Simon |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 2, 2015 21:07:04 GMT
Let's hope the seats are more comfortable than the ones on the 378's.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 2, 2015 21:30:45 GMT
Yes to comfortable seating... and lets hope that the seats are nothing like those on the High Speed Javelin trains.
The seats on the 378's may not be the best, but its IS possible to have worse; an accolade I grant to the Javelin trains. Thin foam on a hard base.
Truly dire.
Simon
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Post by stapler on Dec 2, 2015 22:10:06 GMT
Very pleased to hear the yellow can go. Never liked it, though it was marginally better than the chevrons BR diesels usually had
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Post by North End on Dec 3, 2015 1:02:59 GMT
Yes to comfortable seating... and lets hope that the seats are nothing like those on the High Speed Javelin trains. The seats on the 378's may not be the best, but its IS possible to have worse; an accolade I grant to the Javelin trains. Thin foam on a hard base. Truly dire. Simon Nothing in life ever gets better, especially nowadays. Most new variations of train seat have become progressively less comfortable, since a high point about 10-15 years ago. The seats in the new class 377/6s and 387s are awful, especially compared to the earlier Electrostars. Sadly LU has gone the same way - for example the 95 and 96 stocks post refresh. It's very strange this has happened, as private cars have tended to get better over time, so one would think trains would have gone the same way. |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 3, 2015 20:54:45 GMT
Their reasoning is probably on the lines of "most people don't get a seat these days, so they won't care if they are comfortable or not!"
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 3, 2015 21:20:11 GMT
Their reasoning is probably on the lines of "most people don't get a seat these days, so they won't care if they are comfortable or not!" Lady Whiteadder (Blackadder 2, "Beer") |
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 22, 2016 21:20:24 GMT
Do trains no longer need doors on the front and back? Going into a tunnel, I feel like this would be a safety feature that shouldn't be overlooked (Not that I'm well versed on UK train regulations...or any train regs and also realize that Thameslink and the Heathrow Services don't have them)
I'm also not keen on the plug doors underground purely as a matter of not being used to seeing them next to Platform Doors.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 22, 2016 21:49:04 GMT
As I understand it, end doors are required on services with single track tunnels too narrow to allow evacuation through the side doors. Tube trains, obviously. DLR had to introduce them when it started to use long tunnels. The Northern City Line (the 313s- and their clones on the Mersey Loop & Link - and the new 717s), and the unique cabs on the 319s because of the tunnels near Barbican (now closed)
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 23, 2016 1:06:22 GMT
So these trains will be able to evacuate people through the side doors in the tunnels under the city? Fascinating.
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 23, 2016 2:20:10 GMT
So these trains will be able to evacuate people through the side doors in the tunnels under the city? Fascinating. DLR trains have the capability for evacuation through side doors to walkways in their tunnel sections |
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Post by phil on Jun 23, 2016 18:39:48 GMT
So these trains will be able to evacuate people through the side doors in the tunnels under the city? Fascinating. It is a requirement for new build tunnels to consider evacuation routes when being constructed and it is far safer to evacuate to a walkway and then back to a station / emergency access shaft than expect people to walk along the track. As such Crossrail 1, the DLR and the tunnels on HS1 all have this feature, with Crossrail 2, the HS2 tunnels and any future Bakerloo extension requiring to be similarly equipped. This is another reason why building small diameter traditional tubes will not be happening in London (other than the aforementioned possible Bakerloo extension) as the cost of the larger tunnels does not stack up for 7 car tube trains - its far more effective to make the tunnels a bit larger still so they can accommodate 12 car mainline gauge trains. |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 23, 2016 18:43:40 GMT
Jubilee line extension also has walkways.
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Post by will on Jul 29, 2016 16:13:58 GMT
 
 
Some pictures from Bombardier of the first Elizabeth line train to be produced. The trains look very spacious but the groups of 4 seats seem to stick out quite a lot. On the S8 stock when they have a group of seats on one side they have longitudinal on the other so people can get past seems a bit daft to have them in this configuration. Also I really hope they change the colour of the floor as dark grey and black grab poles will make the trains look very drab.
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Post by londonstuff on Jul 29, 2016 16:33:15 GMT
The interior walls and floor look very functional, like the NY subway.
The moquette hurts my eyes - genuinely, I wonder whether that's the best they could come up with.
The four seater configuration is going to cause a few problems.
Oh dear!
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Post by roman80 on Jul 29, 2016 17:18:20 GMT
No horizontal grab rails either between the poles above head level. Those poles will have a lot of people trying to hold on to them, crowding the passengers in the seats around them.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 29, 2016 17:34:28 GMT
No horizontal grab rails either between the poles above head level. Those poles will have a lot of people trying to hold on to them, crowding the passengers in the seats around them. There are horizontal poles mounted on the ceiling. Trying to avoid the ugly strap-hangers added as an afterthought to S Stock ? (oops! just noticed in some released photos, a pair of proposed strap-hangers resting on a seat  ) |
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Post by wimblephil on Jul 29, 2016 19:09:39 GMT
Either the lighting/image quality of those pics isn't too good, or those seats aren't as purple as I was expecting. They're more Overground/Bakerloo than they are Crossrail...!
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Post by patrickb on Jul 29, 2016 19:14:39 GMT
They've resurrected the 1959TS interior haha! All that's missing now is the old bobble strap-hangers.
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Post by tubelightonline on Jul 29, 2016 19:29:14 GMT
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Post by will on Jul 29, 2016 19:34:10 GMT
The S stock and even the class 378 London overground trains have much nicer interiors than the 345's
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Post by crusty54 on Jul 29, 2016 19:34:56 GMT
The interior walls and floor look very functional, like the NY subway. The moquette hurts my eyes - genuinely, I wonder whether that's the best they could come up with. The four seater configuration is going to cause a few problems. Oh dear! it's not the moquette that will be used on the trains in service. Installed to get the trains weighed and tested. Think the transverse seats are only in three of a nine car train. A lot of people like these seats and in the past three and two seats used to be norm. |
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Post by will on Jul 29, 2016 20:32:40 GMT
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