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Post by agoodcuppa on Aug 23, 2006 11:25:42 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Aug 23, 2006 11:30:43 GMT
Trying to draw the thread back to some semblance of on-topicness (well, slightly less far off topic!), what was the most important development regarding electric railways? Sprague... This means nothing to me, but from a google search it appears to be a type of Capacitor (and a small town in Connecticut)?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2006 11:34:04 GMT
Frank Julian Sprague... Haven't got my books with me, but had something to do with Electric Multiple Unit, Control systems.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Aug 23, 2006 12:21:07 GMT
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Post by CSLR on Aug 23, 2006 12:35:39 GMT
This means nothing to me, but from a google search it appears to be a type of Capacitor (and a small town in Connecticut)? CSLR replied:Sprague was the variety of apple that Adam picked in the Garden of Eden. Note to Admins: My apologies if this is considered to be a prohibited religious reference.Before eating it, he cleaned the surface by rubbing it on his artificial fig leaf (it was winter at the time and the real leaves had all fallen). In doing so, he discovered static electricity which led to a whole chain of events. Now read on...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2006 16:23:35 GMT
Sprague was the variety of apple that Adam picked in the Garden of Eden. Before eating it, he cleaned the surface by rubbing it on his artificial fig leaf (it was winter at the time and the real leaves had all fallen). In doing so, he discovered static electricity which led to a whole chain of events. Now read on... Ouch!!! We enthusiastically await the next lesson...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2006 20:20:14 GMT
Paris metro used in service for 75 years trains called the Sprague-Thompsons, based on the priciples of Sprague's EMU design. This design was chosen after a fire on a non-EMU double traction unit that killed 84 people at Couronnes in 1903.
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Post by CSLR on Aug 23, 2006 20:40:21 GMT
Paris metro used in service for 75 years trains called the Sprague-Thompsons, based on the priciples of Sprague's EMU design. This design was chosen after a fire on a non-EMU double traction unit that killed 84 people at Couronnes in 1903. Following that fire, the Board of Trade (who were then responsible for regulating railway companies) carried out an in depth investigation into all of the railways in the UK that were using electrical power. This in turn led to a series of electrical safety/fire prevention regulations.
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Post by tubeprune on Aug 23, 2006 21:45:57 GMT
Sprague was an interesting man. He didn't invent the trolley pole as Wikipedia suggests. This was van Deopole, a Belgian immigrant to the US, IIRC. Sprague invented the nose suspended motor, the deadman's button, automatic acceleration and regenerative braking but he credited John Hopkinson of C&SLR loco fame with the invention of series-parallel control. He also put in all the original electric lifts on the Central London in 1899-1900 and was responsible for introducing the first m-u control on the line in 1901.
He had a love-hate commercial relationship with Edison, who manufactured his equipment (becoming GE of America) and this is how the Underground got GE motors on its early electric stock. Edison set up a company here using the names Thomson-Houston, which he bought out in the US (both were US engineers). He also set up the French company which became Thomson.
Do you want more or am I boring you all - suing George Westinghouse etc?
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Post by Oracle on Aug 23, 2006 22:02:15 GMT
I am going to go off the rails here! Edison Accumulators Ltd was established to sell Edison batteries in the UK, HQ'd in London. In 1915 they started importing GMC and Detroit electric trucks. Edison had a close connnection with Electricars Ltd who produced road-going electric vehicles from 1919 but they went bust virtually two/three times in the Twenties.
I remember the Metro 'Sprague stock' when I first went to Paris in 1971 but just over ten years later they were used on certain routes in the Peaks only, and the central depot was full of them being dismantled. I have forgotten the connection between Sprague and the Metro..I did know once!
British Thomson-Houson of course later built electrical equipment for the BR Type 1 diesels, later Class 15, and I think shunters [8?].
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Post by Ben on Aug 23, 2006 23:52:49 GMT
All fascinating stuff; and no tubeprune, keep going!!
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Post by Oracle on Aug 24, 2006 8:45:01 GMT
TP...keep going as Ben says!
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Post by CSLR on Aug 24, 2006 9:13:09 GMT
Ouch!!! We enthusiastically await the next lesson... Although the detail is much more complex, the remainder of the story could be summarised very briefly thus:- From the beginning of time until the late 15th century, everything was invented by the Chinese. From the late 1400s until 1519, all that we now have - and everything that will be discovered in the future - was written down or drawn by Leonardo da Vinci. This included the plans for a type of vehicle to carry passengers through the Tower Subway. Da Vinci actually intended this to be a submarine, but Greathead misunderstood the drawing and constructed it to carry people beneath the Thames instead of through it.
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Post by tubeprune on Aug 24, 2006 10:49:44 GMT
TP...keep going as Ben says! It's all in the series by Piers Connor in Underground News July to November 2005 issues. I can quote that George Westinghouse was sued by Sprague because he used most of Sprague's ideas for his own version of m-u control. Sprague won and was paid off as a result. He sold his m-u interests to GE in 1903 (about) and they marketed them across the world as BTH in UK, STH in France and AEG in Germany. Westinghouse m-u control was used by the Met. Rly. for much of its stock. The company subsequently became Metropolitan-Vickers, which is why the T Stock on the Met. was always called "the Vickers". By the way, the June 2006 Underground News has a description of the S Stock and is quoted in the September 2006 Modern Railways as their source!
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Post by Oracle on Aug 24, 2006 14:11:03 GMT
Travelling through the earth is a Subterrene! And yes they do exist it seems!
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