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Post by l1group on Jul 16, 2015 18:33:07 GMT
I was on a Circle line train earlier today, but not at the usual place. I went from Acton Town to Stamford Brook on a Circle Line train, apparently, according to this announcement - www.flickr.com/photos/wltmauc/19756601801 - Thus meaning that a Circle Line train is going via Hammersmith Piccadilly and District station. Usually a District Line train is advertised when doing an Ealing Broadway branch-Edgware Road service. So this seems odd to me (but I don't know if this is rare or timetabled)?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 16, 2015 19:21:37 GMT
Destination code 609 "Circle Line outer rail from Ealing Broadway" is available.
There are now scheduled workings from Acton Town to Barking via Edgware Road; Acton Town to Edgware Road via Kings Cross and Victoria; Ealing Broadway to Edgware Road.
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Post by kesmet on Jul 16, 2015 20:37:37 GMT
Destination code 609 "Circle Line outer rail from Ealing Broadway" is available. There are now scheduled workings from Acton Town to Barking via Edgware Road; Acton Town to Edgware Road via Kings Cross and Victoria; Ealing Broadway to Edgware Road. So - if all of these are Outer Rail, does that mean there's a service that calls at Edgware Road twice in one trip that hasn't come through Wood Lane? I could see that, actually - basically 'replacing' the Hammersmith-to-Paddington via Wood Lane section with something originating at a different depot. Are there equivalent workings from Neasden depot down through Baker Street, thence on round the eastern neck of the Circle all the way back to Edgware Road? Interestingly, a couple of weeks ago I was on an actually circular Circle Line service - went from St James's Park to Baker Street via High Street Kensington and the outer platform at Edgware Road. Was this a standard code, or had it just been done for the engineering works that day?
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Post by wimblephil on Jul 17, 2015 7:18:40 GMT
Ooh they are making it complex to the average user! I presume there's beneficial operational reasons for it though. It's amazing how confused it makes some people when they see a 'Circle' not on the circle route!
I've seen the Edgware Road-Ealing Broadway service a few times. I've also seen the Circle actually running in a circle several times, usually on Sunday evenings. Whether that's coincidence or scheduled I'm not sure.
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Post by t697 on Jul 17, 2015 17:18:41 GMT
Ooh they are making it complex to the average user! I presume there's beneficial operational reasons for it though. It's amazing how confused it makes some people when they see a 'Circle' not on the circle route! I've seen the Edgware Road-Ealing Broadway service a few times. I've also seen the Circle actually running in a circle several times, usually on Sunday evenings. Whether that's coincidence or scheduled I'm not sure. The policy implemented and hence now appearing on S stock in use is that since there are timetabled trips from depots and sidings that become Circle line trains, the CIS has 'trips' that are Circles from those places to and on the Circle line 'badged' as Circle line. For example that helps those getting that train at Hammersmith (District & Picc) to know which way it's going after Earl's Court - via HSK or via Victoria. The policy from on high was different for the stabling trip in the other direction and they concluded those really were too confusing to call Circles once they leave the yellow bit of the Tube Diagram. So then they are Districts or H&Cs according to where they are going off to and which crew is driving. Even then there are a few more potential anomalies, but perfection is elusive.
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Post by wimblephil on Jul 17, 2015 21:15:56 GMT
The one thing they really haven't sorted, and I feel they get wrong, is when a 'true' Circle line train is on the inner rail passing through Edgware Road... it is described on the train as a 'Circle line via Paddington' which is bloody useless since whichever way it's going, it's going through Paddington regardless!
The regular user may well expect a see 'to Hammersmith' and so be cautious, but the less familiar could easily assume it's a Hammersmith service. I don't understand why it's not described as a via HSK service!?!
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Post by astockfan101 on Jul 18, 2015 11:38:39 GMT
This sort of thing is now quite common, once I was on a circle line train going to Hammersmith then it changed to a Hammersmith and City line one going there.
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Post by t697 on Jul 18, 2015 12:26:16 GMT
The one thing they really haven't sorted, and I feel they get wrong, is when a 'true' Circle line train is on the inner rail passing through Edgware Road... it is described on the train as a 'Circle line via Paddington' which is bloody useless since whichever way it's going, it's going through Paddington regardless! The regular user may well expect a see 'to Hammersmith' and so be cautious, but the less familiar could easily assume it's a Hammersmith service. I don't understand why it's not described as a via HSK service!?! The decision was to cater for those needing Paddington. Once stopped at Edgware Road, the internal announcements are clear enough about where the train is going.
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Post by t697 on Jul 18, 2015 12:31:35 GMT
The one thing they really haven't sorted, and I feel they get wrong, is when a 'true' Circle line train is on the inner rail passing through Edgware Road... it is described on the train as a 'Circle line via Paddington' which is bloody useless since whichever way it's going, it's going through Paddington regardless! The regular user may well expect a see 'to Hammersmith' and so be cautious, but the less familiar could easily assume it's a Hammersmith service. I don't understand why it's not described as a via HSK service!?! That may have been because if there was a change in the trip at Edgware Road to go to Hammersmith or the T/Op chose to reselect for some other reason, they have to select the H&C trip because at Edgware Road, the Circle selection assumes it's going right round the Inner Rail first. Surely it doesn't really matter whether the train is described as Circle or H&C on the section from Edgware Road to Hammersmith (H&C)? Oops, really a response to astockfan...
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Post by Colin on Jul 18, 2015 19:54:38 GMT
Destination code 609 "Circle Line outer rail from Ealing Broadway" is available. There are now scheduled workings from Acton Town to Barking via Edgware Road; Acton Town to Edgware Road via Kings Cross and Victoria; Ealing Broadway to Edgware Road. Yet at the East end we've been running trains to & from Upminster for the Hammersmith & City line since last December and still have no special codes. We have the silly situation of having to bring them out showing District line to Aldgate East, then it gets corrected at Barking. At least most of the H&C drivers change the train to a District to Upminster when they reach Aldgate East - mind you, I've picked up a few at Barking on the East with it still showing Barking as the destination........cue station staff tipping out whilst I try to get it back in service! When I raised it recently with upgrades after the last software update failed to resolve the issue, I was told the situation is unlikely to change as it can be construed as cross line working and causes confusuion for passengers if the train announces/displays a line on which isn't serving the relevant stations. Left hand / right hand?!!!! You could not make it up!! I presume there's beneficial operational reasons for it though. Yes. Hammersmith depot, as in the Hammersmith & City/Circle depot, is no longer a maintainence depot. So to ensure S7's are rotated for maitainence purposes some are scheduled to run to & from Ealing Common, Neasden and Upminster depots - hence all these 'unusual' workings.
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Post by t697 on Jul 20, 2015 17:22:00 GMT
Destination code 609 "Circle Line outer rail from Ealing Broadway" is available. There are now scheduled workings from Acton Town to Barking via Edgware Road; Acton Town to Edgware Road via Kings Cross and Victoria; Ealing Broadway to Edgware Road. Yet at the East end we've been running trains to & from Upminster for the Hammersmith & City line since last December and still have no special codes. We have the silly situation of having to bring them out showing District line to Aldgate East, then it gets corrected at Barking. At least most of the H&C drivers change the train to a District to Upminster when they reach Aldgate East - mind you, I've picked up a few at Barking on the East with it still showing Barking as the destination........cue station staff tipping out whilst I try to get it back in service! When I raised it recently with upgrades after the last software update failed to resolve the issue, I was told the situation is unlikely to change as it can be construed as cross line working and causes confusuion for passengers if the train announces/displays a line on which isn't serving the relevant stations. Left hand / right hand?!!!! You could not make it up!! It's not practicable without a significantly sizeable software change to make 'Trips' that involve the train changing what it calls the 'line' part way through the trip. The conflicting interests of cross line working, service planners and the actual passengers are not easily solved for these workings. And ATC has an impact too. But if anyone has ideas on what might be workable within that constraint, PM me perhaps? Or post here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 19:26:07 GMT
I actually noticed this today. There was an S7 siting in Ealing Common depot that said circle line.
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Post by domh245 on Jul 20, 2015 19:35:30 GMT
But if anyone has ideas on what might be workable within that constraint, PM me perhaps? Or post here. You could just "overground-ise" the S7 lines and just lump them together. Who needs History anyway
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Post by danwoodhouse on Aug 19, 2015 20:04:24 GMT
But if anyone has ideas on what might be workable within that constraint, PM me perhaps? Or post here. You could just "overground-ise" the S7 lines and just lump them together. Who needs History anyway What about take a cue from the first generation C stock D.V.A when you could set it up for example "this is Barking this is a SPECIAL SERVICE train to Embankment" - the phrase special service might help to draw attention
but then again does it really matter?.......................after all im old and wise enough to know that these special workings do happen and if the passingers cant work out from the D.V.A as in l1group's flickr video that the train is going at least as far as H.S.K then they be a bit......... well daft maybe?!
no I don't mean to be harsh but there are times in life (especially on the tube!) when the unexpected happens and you just have to use you brain
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Post by superteacher on Aug 19, 2015 20:33:19 GMT
There is a lack of consistency on train 172 from Ealing Common. Sometimes, it's described as a Circle line whereas on another day it is described as a District line to Edgware Road. What is the official guidance on how this train should be described upon leaving Ealing Common depot?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 12:42:20 GMT
I was on a Circle line train earlier today, but not at the usual place. I went from Acton Town to Stamford Brook on a Circle Line train, apparently, according to this announcement - www.flickr.com/photos/wltmauc/19756601801 - Thus meaning that a Circle Line train is going via Hammersmith Piccadilly and District station. Usually a District Line train is advertised when doing an Ealing Broadway branch-Edgware Road service. So this seems odd to me (but I don't know if this is rare or timetabled)? The other day I caught train 270 from Paddington to Victoria around 10:40. The on train systems said it was a District line train to Barking. Did this train start at Edgware Road or did it run in from Barking via King's Cross? John
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 1, 2015 15:29:58 GMT
The other day I caught train 270 from Paddington to Victoria around 10:40. The on train systems said it was a District line train to Barking. Did this train start at Edgware Road or did it run in from Barking via King's Cross? John 270 is booked to work Hammersmith-Barking during current WTT and the altered workings last and this weekend. Can only assume a reform was done. If required from Edgware Rd to Barking, the only code is a District Line one.
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