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Post by snoggle on Jul 14, 2015 16:55:21 GMT
Sorry to start another thread but the old West Anglia LO thread has been locked.
Just to say that TfL signage and roundels have landed at Bush Hill Park. Looks very recent given the cement footings for the roundels still have a temporary cover.
On my return journey I alighted at Bruce Grove to be met by 5 ticket inspectors and several BTP officers. Needless to say they were being kept busy.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jul 14, 2015 17:19:37 GMT
I alighted at Bruce Grove to be met by 5 ticket inspectors and several BTP officers. Needless to say they were being kept busy. I take it they were busy arresting you and others for charging phones directly off the pantograph now the cleaners' sockets are out of bounds.....
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Post by ashlar on Jul 18, 2015 13:13:33 GMT
Some absolutely beautiful external roundels have gone up at Bethnal Green! (Sorry, no pics).
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Post by stapler on Jul 18, 2015 13:46:53 GMT
Ditto Wood St
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Post by jukes on Jul 18, 2015 16:49:42 GMT
Footings going in on platforms at Stoke Newington.
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Post by Dom K on Aug 2, 2015 9:18:56 GMT
On a 317 and the in train map has White Hart Lane missing! Bloody Ars*nal fans
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Post by snoggle on Aug 7, 2015 17:40:12 GMT
Oh dear the spellchecker has broken again! Waltamstow roundel [3] by plcd1, on Flickr There are three such roundels and they're all misspelt.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 7, 2015 19:09:41 GMT
Well at lest they are consistent!
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Post by Dom K on Aug 7, 2015 20:09:05 GMT
For me misspelt signage such as this is unacceptable! I'd imagine the costs of correcting it will be enough for costs to be a lot! I remember when they got Theobalds Grove wrong (Theobolds was how it was spelt) I have seen signage at Stoke Newington on the exterior and saw a van parked outside Southbury with a Southbury roundel leaned against a wall outside the station
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Post by jukes on Aug 7, 2015 20:28:17 GMT
Signage is complete at Clapton and at Stoke Newington apart from one 'Way Out' sign in the station building where it was found impossible to fix it - at the moment! Rectory Road is almost done. Most signage has been done at Bethnal Green, Cambridge Heath and London Fields except for the roundels. Re-signing will start very soon at Hackney Downs. Haven't seen any other stations yet but will range about next week to take a look.
Any errors in signage such as spelling - the costs are down to the manufacturer not TfL.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 7, 2015 20:53:44 GMT
Any errors in signage such as spelling - the costs are down to the manufacturer not TfL. Not really the point though is it? TfL take the reputational hit from appearing to sanction the installation of incorrect signs. They also have to cope with the media and social media fall out and the costs involved in putting right the errors. I rather suspect all that costs more than a sign. I also don't believe for one second that the manufacturer is just told "give us some signs for Walthamstow". They are given an excrutiatingly detailed specification and one would hope that they have a QA process and also that TfL / LOROL are required to check and sign off before anything gets installed. There are endless examples of this lack of attention to detail in various things TfL do - these signs are just the most glaring.
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Post by stapler on Aug 7, 2015 21:04:44 GMT
Interesting that the spelling "waltamstow" is phonetic to the general pronunciation 50 years ago. That was supplanted by Walthamstow, the first syllable like Forth, and now we have Sonia on the buses trying Wall-the-amstow. Perhaps we have a throwback signmaker.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 7, 2015 21:29:01 GMT
And as commenters on facebook are noting, the modern pronunciation is closer to Walfhamstow due to the Th-fronting of Estuary English.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 21:53:31 GMT
And as commenters on facebook are noting, the modern pronunciation is closer to Walfhamstow due to the Th-fronting of Estuary English. That's interesting. I've always pronounced 'Walthamstow' with a ð/v. (ð is the symbol for the sound in the).
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Post by peterc on Aug 7, 2015 22:15:31 GMT
I thought that the Walt-ham-stow pronunciation died out longer ago than that. On the other hand a few years ago a Met driver did announce Chesham as Chess-am which confused the commuters who are, of course, all incomers. That pronunciation was used in the 50s but has died right out in the town although I have been corrected on a couple of occasions by country people in the 20 years that I have lived there.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 7, 2015 22:15:47 GMT
I've heard that, but /θ/ or /f/ are more frequent (to my ears)
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Post by ashlar on Aug 13, 2015 12:49:04 GMT
Roundel foundations are in at St James St.
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Post by Dom K on Aug 13, 2015 13:33:37 GMT
Can confirm that Edmonton Green and Silver Street have roundels. Foundations in for them at White Hart Lane.
Edmonton Green also has LO signage around the station including platform numbers, line diagrams in the ticket hall. totem pole and station exterior signage
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Post by ashlar on Aug 26, 2015 21:47:40 GMT
St James Street being installed today and foundations in at Hackney Downs....
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Post by jukes on Aug 27, 2015 16:46:07 GMT
New signage going in at Stamford Hill and Hackney Downs. Yet another blooper on the signage at Hackney Downs. The two maps for Platform 2 show the AGA line to Hertford East via Tottenham Hale - so far so good - unfortunately Angel Road has been promoted to Angel PARK. Obviously proof read (not) by the same bloke who proof read the Waltamstow signs!!!!
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Post by jukes on Aug 28, 2015 16:02:35 GMT
Signage work at Stamford Hill seems to have stopped half way. Hackney Downs in progress and will probably be 'blitzed' this weekend! Absolutely NO sign of any new signs or even preparation work at Seven Sisters or Bruce Grove. And some incomplete work on the platforms at White Hart Lane, Silver Street and Edmonton Green.
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Post by Dom K on Aug 29, 2015 7:24:40 GMT
New signage going in at Stamford Hill and Hackney Downs. Yet another blooper on the signage at Hackney Downs. The two maps for Platform 2 show the AGA line to Hertford East via Tottenham Hale - so far so good - unfortunately Angel Road has been promoted to Angel PARK. Obviously proof read (not) by the same bloke who proof read the Waltamstow signs!!!! Took picture and tweeted LO
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Aug 29, 2015 8:23:06 GMT
New signage going in at Stamford Hill and Hackney Downs. Yet another blooper on the signage at Hackney Downs. The two maps for Platform 2 show the AGA line to Hertford East via Tottenham Hale - so far so good - unfortunately Angel Road has been promoted to Angel PARK. Obviously proof read (not) by the same bloke who proof read the Waltamstow signs!!!! Took picture and tweeted LO Surely it can't be that difficult for LO to check the final proofs against a previous version or other map before signing them off for printing? To those passengers in the know I suppose it's just mildly amusing, but to a stranger using the system it could lead to confusion and in the end, assuming the printers just print what they're told by LO regardless, it's going to cost LO to put it right. I can rattle off a couple of over-stickers on my Dymo for them if they're short of a bob or two.......
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Post by superteacher on Aug 29, 2015 8:52:41 GMT
There's really no excuse for such sloppiness. Mind you so few people use Angel Road, I doubt that many people would notice if it wasn't on the map at all, although things may change there with the proposed redevelopments.
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Post by Dom K on Aug 29, 2015 11:18:08 GMT
There's really no excuse for such sloppiness. Mind you so few people use Angel Road, I doubt that many people would notice if it wasn't on the map at all, although things may change there with the proposed redevelopments. I use Angel Road (park) daily except at weekends when it's farmyard animals only (no passenger service at weekends)
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Post by jukes on Aug 29, 2015 15:04:39 GMT
TfL are responsible for the specification of the signage (at least initially) so they are responsible for signing it off (pardon the pun). LO are having to play catch up, correct the mistakes and take the flak.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 29, 2015 16:58:44 GMT
TfL are responsible for the specification of the signage (at least initially) so they are responsible for signing it off (pardon the pun). LO are having to play catch up, correct the mistakes and take the flak. As this is now the third error on this batch of resigning for West Anglia I hope someone is administering a "kick up the backside" of whoever is responsible for this. If I'd made these sorts of errors when I worked for TfL I'd never have lived it down. *And* I was responsible for placing the orders for all LUL resigning and in car line diagram changes. Although it strictly wasn't my job I did actually read all the specifications and orders to make sure they "right" (no typos etc).
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 29, 2015 17:52:27 GMT
this is now the third error on this batch of re-signing for West Anglia You might even say it was a resigning matter.
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Post by jukes on Aug 30, 2015 16:03:58 GMT
Actually its the fourth error. The first was at Enfield Town on launch day on 31 May - all the line maps showed National Rail interchange at White Hart Lane - which of course is wrong! TfL specified the maps and LO are correcting that. The next three errors were 'Theobolds' Road on the temporary signage, the missing h for Walthamstow and now Angel Park! LO taking the flak. All of this could have been avoided at the proofing stage but LO apparently don't have sight of this till its too late!
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Post by snoggle on Sept 2, 2015 20:31:59 GMT
I'm probably behind the times a bit but Clapton has been resigned with new external roundel and enamel signs about the entrance. Wayfinding signs have all been updated plus roundel name signs on the platforms and ancillary signage for platforms, Oyster validators etc. Amazing to use the place with the ticket office open for business, full range of leaflets on display and a member of staff on the platform! I haven't seen platform staff at Clapton in decades. It also looks as if some minor painting works and vegetation clearance has also been done. Really quite a shock after years of neglect.
St James St also has roundels (I know this has been reported before).
Interesting to see the 2 Oyster validators at Walthamstow Central completely overwhelmed by peak time crowds trying to exit the station. Strange how the loss of just one validator makes things so much worse than before.
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