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Post by ashlar on Jul 31, 2015 11:36:57 GMT
I received an email from TfL stating that they will use the blockade to remove the ticket window at Walthamstow Central (tube). Presumably they'll do Tottenham Hale and BHR at the same time?
No mention of moving the gate line to allow the Walthamstow Cage to be removed...
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 1, 2015 7:13:15 GMT
From an internal LU Bulletin I've received on the staff email, it states the following which will be of interest to fellow forum members.
Why do the works take three weeks to complete?
'The works will be similar to that of a construction site, whereby concrete will be poured and will need time to set. Furthermore, the installation of new points will take place in cramped conditions and will require thorough testing and commissioning'.
'We will also undertake opportunity works to improve track infrastructure and stations in the closed section. These works will comprise of tunnel and platform reconditioning, re-rail, sleeper replacement and deep station cleanses at Tottenham Hale, Blackhorse Road and Walthamstow Central. Asbestos removal, ticket facilities and gate line improvements at Walthamstow Central as well as the commencement of escalator replacement there as well'.
During the closure, service frequency will be as follows;
Weekdays
S.O.T- 0630, 15tph, 4 minute headway.
0630-0715, 24tph, 2.5 minute headway.
0715-1015, 26.7tph, 2.25 minute headway.
1015-1600, 24tph 2.5 minute headway.
1600-1900, 26.7tph, 2.25 minute headway.
1900-2230, 24tph, 2.5 minute headway.
2230-C.O.T 15tph, 4 minute headway.
Saturday
S.O.T-0900, 15tph, 4 minute headway.
0900-2230, 24tph, 2.5 minute headway.
2230-C.O.T, 15tph, 4 minute headway.
Sunday
S.O.T-1100, 15tph, 4 minute headway.
1100-2200, 24tph, 2.5 minute headway.
2200-C.O.T, 15tph, 4 minute headway.
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Post by ashlar on Aug 3, 2015 15:23:51 GMT
Asbestos removal, ticket facilities and gate line improvements at Walthamstow Central as well as the commencement of escalator replacement there as well'. Intriguing. Didn't Walthamstow Central get new escalators quite recently? Unless they mean an additional third escalator is going in...?
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Post by 315 on Aug 3, 2015 22:54:40 GMT
Why is the blockade for so long? Have LOROL yet confirmed whether Chingfords will be 8 cars all day? It looks like the Chingfords will be 8 cars all day as Tfl Rail have been asked to provide a 315 for the RMF - UPM branch during this period.
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Post by ashlar on Aug 4, 2015 16:14:51 GMT
Asbestos removal, ticket facilities and gate line improvements at Walthamstow Central as well as the commencement of escalator replacement there as well'. Intriguing. Didn't Walthamstow Central get new escalators quite recently? Unless they mean an additional third escalator is going in...? Apparently not: tfl.gov.uk/travel-information/improvements-and-projects/victoria-line-travel-advice#on-this-page-0I guess they are replacing the current escalators before the capacity upgrade goes live.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 4, 2015 18:29:22 GMT
Why is the blockade for so long? Have LOROL yet confirmed whether Chingfords will be 8 cars all day? It looks like the Chingfords will be 8 cars all day as Tfl Rail have been asked to provide a 315 for the RMF - UPM branch during this period. They're still getting too many train failures and short formations and then last minute changes being announced daily. I'll be gobsmacked if all Chingford Line trains are 8 cars daily for every day of the blockade.
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Post by sawb on Aug 4, 2015 19:34:49 GMT
I can't help but feel that the general maintenance of the 315s has been cut to the bare minimum just to keep them running, but that's probably a thread for the rant area.....
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Post by stapler on Aug 4, 2015 21:05:03 GMT
Snoggle, I seem to remember when the 305s were on a low ebb, a Chingford rostered for 9 cars would come into LV with 3. Plus ca change!
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Post by snoggle on Aug 7, 2015 17:55:02 GMT
Double checked today as to whether the subway link at Walthamstow Central will be open during the blockade for access between the NR platforms. Definitely going to be closed so it's a walk round the road bridge and down the side of the station if you arrive at the bus station side of the station. Buses from north of Walthamstow now have new messages on I-Bus advising people to alight at Walthamstow Market (the RRS does pick up there) and again at Walthamstow Central. The station car park at Walthamstow is semi occupied by site buildings and gazebos with workers having a nice sunbathe this afternoon. Other preparations are broadly in place. Blockade ready bus stop by plcd1, on Flickr Express Bus 558 notice by plcd1, on Flickr Express Bus 558 timetable panel by plcd1, on Flickr Walthamstow Central's diddy little ticket office also dies the death tonight.
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Post by stapler on Aug 7, 2015 21:09:08 GMT
Walthamstow Central (then Hoe St) really did have a diddy ticket office, No2 or down office, on the Selborne Rd side, where in the 1960s, Delia, the booking clerk, operated, with a blazing fire in winter. The up office, or No.1, was the principal one, with left luggage, parcels, etc, too....
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Post by Ben on Aug 8, 2015 21:14:19 GMT
"These works will comprise of tunnel and platform reconditioning, re-rail, sleeper replacement and deep station cleanses at Tottenham Hale, Blackhorse Road and Walthamstow Central."
Those three stations had quite a fair bit of penny pinching when built. No middle escalators, no ceiling panels. Has much ever been rectified?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2015 21:24:01 GMT
"These works will comprise of tunnel and platform reconditioning, re-rail, sleeper replacement and deep station cleanses at Tottenham Hale, Blackhorse Road and Walthamstow Central." Those three stations had quite a fair bit of penny pinching when built. No middle escalators, no ceiling panels. Has much ever been rectified? In short no. Tottenham Hale is the only station that's had money spent on it in terms of the MIP lift and a slightly revised ticket hall and bus stop area. Subsequent to that we had the road layout redone last year and a new bus station that's already at capacity in terms of terminating routes. The ticket hall is going to be completely remodelled over the next couple of years. However the plans do NOT include a third escalator because the modelling shows it's not justified. Blackhorse Rd has had nothing substantive done to it. Walthamstow had the subway to the bus station and lifts added but no escalators so you have to climb a ridiculous set of stairs to reach the buses. The lift, in consequence, sees a lot of use from people of all ages. We recently had the surface buildings tweaked a bit in advance of LOROL taking over. This allowed gates to be installed but at the cost of forcing people wanting to interchange out in to the street. A new ticket office has been added on the Chingford side of the station but the one on the other side went. Hopefully the nonsense of these revisions will sort themselves out over the next three weeks. Walthamstow is on the "upgrade" list but about 15 years hence which is way too late really. It, like T Hale, could do with a third escalator as peak crowds waiting to exit do not clear before the next train arrives. This will worsen with 36 tph turning up. To be honest I don't see a lot of point in ceiling panels at platform level. We've coped without them for nearly 50 years so why worry now. The bigger issue is simply handling the demand that's on offer and which will no doubt materialise in coming years. Reducing congestions and queues should be the priority and I await to see what happens in terms of gatelines at WWCS after the blockade.
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Post by stapler on Aug 9, 2015 9:25:57 GMT
Snoggle, isn't the "new ticket office" you mention the very same one that's about to be closed?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 9, 2015 9:44:54 GMT
Snoggle, isn't the "new ticket office" you mention the very same one that's about to be closed? The "new" office I refer to is the one run by LOROL and replaced the one that was shut for months after some problem - was it a fire or a rat infestation or something? AIUI TfL can't run round and close ticket offices on what are still National Rail stations because the final sanction rests with the DfT AFAIK. They can, of course, propose to do such things but a formal process has to run whereas no such thing has happened in respect of tube ticket offices. LU has just done what the Mayor signed off. To date no Overground ticket offices have closed but I think Gospel Oak had its hours reduced. The little LU ticket office by the tube gateline closed on Friday night. Walthamstow Central tube ticket office by plcd1, on Flickr
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Post by rsdworker on Aug 9, 2015 12:30:57 GMT
so what happens to that small office - i think turns in OPEN space for something? like extra ticket gates?
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Post by ashlar on Aug 10, 2015 12:58:43 GMT
so what happens to that small office - i think turns in OPEN space for something? like extra ticket gates? Likely just circulation space. The gateline is being moved down into the tunnel to allow the two stations to be unified.
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Post by jswallow on Aug 10, 2015 13:41:09 GMT
I took a ride on the Replacement route B at about 1.30pm - in case anyone was looking forward to a trip through the Council depot, it's not going the way it's supposed to and they were all running via Markhouse Corner. Wonder if the first buses got stuck around South Access Road, as people with sense all foresaw.
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Post by stapler on Aug 10, 2015 14:37:41 GMT
<<The gateline is being moved down into the tunnel to allow the two stations to be unified.>> They were unified till earlier this year when some idiot invented the cage!
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Post by snoggle on Aug 10, 2015 15:24:18 GMT
The gateline is being moved down into the tunnel to allow the two stations to be unified. So I assume the following will be happening. 1. remove existing LU gateline. 2. remove the "cage" 3. block up the side entrance on the Chingford side of the station. 4. reopen the former interchange gap on the Liv St side of the station and seal up the recently created exit to the street. 5. create a new gateline in the bus to tube subway link under Selborne Road. I can't see how this is going to have much capacity given the need to retain access to the ticket machines, short height lift and the fire doors mid way along the link. There will be huge queues of people trying to get in and out as the subway is probably the busiest route out of the station. Busiest entry is probably from where the buses drop off. 6. snag and tidy up. Test. Switch on the Overground access as soon as the new layout's all in.
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Post by rsdworker on Aug 10, 2015 16:52:46 GMT
what was cage? - not seen that before in station and station needs step free to London overground - but lifts isnt installed yet (only bus station lifts installed - there should be exit for eemergency so the current exits should kept as emergency exit only or step free wide gates installed there to control flows in and out
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Post by snoggle on Aug 10, 2015 20:44:05 GMT
what was cage? - not seen that before in station and station needs step free to London overground - but lifts isnt installed yet (only bus station lifts installed - there should be exit for eemergency so the current exits should kept as emergency exit only or step free wide gates installed there to control flows in and out The cage refers to the floor to ceiling railings installed between the top of the stairs from the Vic Line to the Chingford platform and then to a side exit beside the ticket hall. Its purpose is to seperate the LU and Overground paid areas and to force interchange via two gatelines. Photo of the cage - www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/20415918382/ (my photo). There is no step free access planned at Walthamstow beyond what exists in the subway link. It's unlikely to be an easy thing to achieve given the orientation of the LU ticket hall relative to the Vic Line tunnels plus the proximity of NR railway lines and highways making access to the surface not easy either. If it wasn't for the fact that the station needs a third escalator then an inclined lift would be a feasible way of providing step free access to the LU platforms.
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Post by rsdworker on Aug 11, 2015 10:48:05 GMT
well i was refering to overground platforms - if the exits are sealed up - the current routes for wheelchairs are via two ticket halls on both sides (overground)
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Post by ashlar on Aug 11, 2015 13:06:18 GMT
well i was refering to overground platforms - if the exits are sealed up - the current routes for wheelchairs are via two ticket halls on both sides (overground) Those exits won't be sealed, only the new one that they created from the tunnel, to allow them to block up the direct exit from tunnel to Overground platform! Of course, all of this remains speculation, LU / LO have remained very tight lipped about what they are actually going to do!
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Post by sawb on Aug 11, 2015 15:30:23 GMT
Just wondering, some unions have announced possible additional strike dates during the remaining weeks of the blockade. What would happen to the engineering work if the strikes went ahead? Would that stop as well, or is it not track workers on strike?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 11, 2015 16:05:16 GMT
Just wondering, some unions have announced possible additional strike dates during the remaining weeks of the blockade. What would happen to the engineering work if the strikes went ahead? Would that stop as well, or is it not track workers on strike? Depends on what work is being done at that point and if they're internal staff or contractors. I expect the tracks should all be done by then and it'll be signalling being reinstated / tested and then test trains running after all the dust and muck has been tidied up. I imagine LU have a few days float in hand in the programme because any overrun of the work will be a reputational disaster. The other dependency is the "opportunity work" being done in stations in the meantime. I assume that's been scheduled so it can't result in a failure to reopen on the due date - i.e. not on any critical path and capable of being stopped without undue damage to the service to the public in the short term. My memory may be wrong but didn't the Brixton crossover replacement work finish "early" to great fanfares of how wonderful everyone was when in reality they probably just ran to programme and had the float left at the end?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 18:51:47 GMT
I took a ride on the Replacement route B at about 1.30pm - in case anyone was looking forward to a trip through the Council depot, it's not going the way it's supposed to and they were all running via Markhouse Corner. Wonder if the first buses got stuck around South Access Road, as people with sense all foresaw. My son went on the replacement bus today for the third day running and while engrossed in his book noticed that for the first time he was going on a different route. He was going via the council depot. I asked him if it was quicker, he said no, it was slower! However he came home on the usual route via Markhouse Corner. For anyone who has driven down to the council depot (public part) to deposit bulk rubbish, you will know that South Access Road has vechicles parked on both sides and there is hardly a gap between, so as you enter this road you look straight down to the far end to make sure the way is clear. The W19 bus terminates at the depot so goes both ways but is not a frequent service. Logic tells me that the replacement buses would only use this route in a one direction capacity.
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Post by jswallow on Aug 12, 2015 20:54:14 GMT
That's right, the planned route through the depot was supposed to be to Stratford only, and to Walthamstow is via Markhouse Corner.
Is the B being used well? Mine had a whopping 5 people on it.
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Post by roythebus on Aug 14, 2015 19:32:51 GMT
Route A is remarkably well used. I'll be driving on there again this coming Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, late shift! Mon and tues standby, lurking round the corner somewhere...
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Post by causton on Aug 14, 2015 19:44:55 GMT
That's right, the planned route through the depot was supposed to be to Stratford only, and to Walthamstow is via Markhouse Corner. Is the B being used well? Mine had a whopping 5 people on it. I was the only one on mine, a second person got on at St James Street, and the driver didn't even stop at Stratford International like the card said on the front! A was a lot busier, some buses 3/4 full or more, not the usual lower deck half full and 5 on the top like during most RRBs I go on in London!
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Post by snoggle on Aug 14, 2015 19:52:29 GMT
Route A is remarkably well used. I'll be driving on there again this coming Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, late shift! Mon and tues standby, lurking round the corner somewhere... Hardly a surprise given it follows the route the Vic Line usually takes. People will stick to their normal journey patterns as much as possible.
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