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Post by d7666 on Jun 15, 2021 23:03:03 GMT
Reported elsewhere [WNXX forum] this is actually a DfT project that GWR are acting as "agents" for. It has also been commented that a 777 would fit, and battery 777 are in the Merseyrail plan; I suppose it is not unfeasible within the timeline the current 777 build could be increased by one to accomodate. But then that makes it two trains, two tender bids, which needs decision expert deliberation, project procrastination, and DfT indecision, go around loop again. OK, the latter comment is digression from D Train, so no more from me on it here. Big difference is that a 2 car battery train was demonstrated by VivaRail at Rail Live several years ago with rapid charging from a 40ft trailer. I travelled on it with Adrian Shooter and several ex LUL engineers on board. Breaking my own comment about not refering to 777s again, battery fitted Mersey 777002 is going (well has gone) to Rail Live this week [today and tomorrow], so if demonstrating battery power at shows is an influence, then here it is. But I can recover the situation, keeping the moderators happy by keeping the post on topic: D-train 230010 (one of TfW) is operating a passenger shuttle between Honeybourne and Long Marston (gen posted on GenSheet and acknowledged) as follows : www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:LNGMSTN/2021-06-16/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wttin connection with Rail Live but is not a public service in the sense it is for exhibition visitors only: www.raillive.org.uk/visitors/visitor-information
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 21, 2021 19:42:30 GMT
re: the Vivarail train carrying show visitors at Rail Live last week, I think this tweet will be of interest - external and internal views of the train in action (you may wish to look at the doors to accept that the inside really is a former D Stock train!)
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 22, 2021 12:07:07 GMT
Here is a walk-through video from the same event:
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 22, 2021 13:36:09 GMT
I was able to sample the 230 at Rail Live on Wednesday and Thursday last week. The units are a vast improvement on both the original D78 trains and the Marston Vale flavours. Whilst those in the know will be able to identify the reused D stock parts, to the general public the trains will absolutely seem like new. As a self-confessed D Train sceptic (and I wasn't particularly a fan of the original D78s either!) I'm very impressed - totally converted.
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Post by revupminster on Jun 22, 2021 15:59:54 GMT
It's the seats that maketh the train. Even a 143 with those seats was good.
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Post by billbedford on Jun 23, 2021 8:24:39 GMT
Here is a walk-through video from the same event: Interesting, it seems no one wanted to sit in the middle car, with the engines...
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Post by alpinejohn on Jun 26, 2021 13:36:08 GMT
Things are finally starting to come right with the VivaRail units for the Isle of Wight. Another Class 484 set has now been shipped to the island. onthewight.com/island-line-class-484-another-new-train-arrives-on-the-isle-of-wight-photos/Apparently they have fixed the software problem which had delayed their delivery and was resulting in worrying arcing from the third rail pick up shoes at rail gaps. After a period test running on the mainland to confirm the problem was solved hopefully the new unit should soon be ready for staff training sessions - once the juice rails get energised. At the moment a unimog is being used for stock moves, as sadly it seems finishing and then getting everyone to sign off the infrastructure updating work is now the hold-up. Why does this sound like Cross Rail... nearly ready but never quite opening, or a Yes Minister sketch about a super efficient hospital with no patients. At least it seems the software on the Class 484 unit which had already be delivered to the Island can be updated without needing a trip back to the mainland. If they can get a third set tested and onto the island soon, then that late Summer opening date (AKA 3 September) may just be possible, which will doubtless trigger huge demand for seats on the first public service, and doubtless a good few YouTube videos.
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Post by alpinejohn on Jun 28, 2021 19:03:35 GMT
So it looks like the power is back on for at least on some of the Island Line and sure enough the recently delivered Class 484 unit (004) was spotted today trundling around outside the depot at Ryde St Johns:
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Post by jimbo on Jun 28, 2021 20:09:20 GMT
So it looks like the power is back on for at least on some of the Island Line and sure enough the recently delivered Class 484 unit (004) was spotted today trundling around outside the depot at Ryde St Johns. 'Proper' railway signals remain!
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Post by alpinejohn on Jul 3, 2021 13:35:32 GMT
Meanwhile over in Wrexham it seems one of the TFW Class 230 units appears to have been sending out "smoke signals". www.deeside.com/firefighters-called-deal-with-small-fire-on-new-class-230-trains-due-to-come-into-service-later-this-year/Whilst it seems the driver spotted and rapidly dealt with the fire, the Fire Brigade were called as a precaution and once they arrived on scene escalated the impact of the failure requiring a full line closure, followed by several hours of scrutiny before eventually concluding there was nothing for them to do, and leaving Network Rail and TFW to pick up the pieces of the timetable. Ominously this is the second fire involving a class 230 unit and it will be very interesting to see if VivaRail are so open about what happened this time. I really hope this is not setting a pattern.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 3, 2021 17:17:34 GMT
I read about this somewhere else.
It is disappointing to hear but it is not known whether it was an engine or a battery fire. Obviously not having been there at the time I do not know what actually happened and why ... but what I do know is that whilst both diesel and battery buses have been known to catch fire it is very rare and has not become a cause for any alarm. Certainly ever more battery buses are entering service on our streets, and this would not be happening if the various authorities thought that they pose a safety hazard.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 7, 2021 17:38:13 GMT
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Post by alpinejohn on Jul 9, 2021 7:49:32 GMT
More 484s required - I rather doubt it. Just because the old trackbed in question is vacant, does not mean it is a bright idea to reopen the route if virtually no one will ever choose to use it. It would probably make a far better cycle path. The fundamental problem with this idea is the proposed route - note they are not suggesting reinstating the reasonably direct route between Ryde and Newport (which is partially occupied by the Isle of Wight Steam Railway) - but this envisages reopening the far longer route which headed west from Sandown to Merstone before turning North to follow the Blackwater valley to eventually reach Newport. Sadly there is no real prospect of ever securing enough passenger flows to justify this. The main regular passenger flows on the Island Line are to/from Ryde and on to the mainland. Even if you timetabled very effective connections at Sandown with services on the current Ryde-Shanklin route the overall route would take far longer than the typical 30 minute trip on the route 9 bus from Newport to Ryde Esplanade bus station (its only 15 minutes by taxi/car). Moreover people without private transport living in Newport wishing to head for the mainland will probably still take the bus to the East Cowes ferry connection to Southampton which will probably be cheaper and quicker. I rather doubt VivaRail need devote any time on this fantasy idea.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 17, 2021 10:57:22 GMT
Every day these people publish a photo of a railway signal, sometimes they are very obscure images, sometimes not. A few days ago their image was a LU 'coffee pot'
Today (17th July 2021) it includes a Class 484 train...
(Tweet with image above)
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 18, 2021 19:16:30 GMT
Every day these people publish a photo of a railway signal, sometimes they are very obscure images, sometimes not. A few days ago their image was a LU 'coffee pot' Today (17th July 2021) it includes a Class 484 train... "These people" π
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Post by MoreToJack on Jul 18, 2021 22:37:40 GMT
Every day these people publish a photo of a railway signal, sometimes they are very obscure images, sometimes not. A few days ago their image was a LU 'coffee pot' Today (17th July 2021) it includes a Class 484 train... "These people" π I really should rejoin the group chatβ¦ π
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Post by jimbo on Jul 18, 2021 23:05:10 GMT
Every day these people publish a photo of a railway signal, sometimes they are very obscure images, sometimes not. A few days ago their image was a LU 'coffee pot' Today (17th July 2021) it includes a Class 484 train... (Tweet with image above) Looks familiar! link
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Post by brigham on Jul 19, 2021 7:44:11 GMT
I'm told by folk around me that this is one of 'my' expressions. It seemingly has a negative connotation. Does anybody else see it as such?
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Post by Tom on Jul 19, 2021 18:05:47 GMT
Yes.
But that's not really for this forum, other than to say if you use in the way in which it has a negative connotation, there will be more writing in green ink.
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Post by christopher125 on Aug 18, 2021 15:40:24 GMT
It is disappointing to hear but it is not known whether it was an engine or a battery fire. DPF overheated apparently which also overheated/melted/singed some surrounding components - seems the fire suppression systems worked as intended, the unit was undamaged and just needed the genset swapping.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 18, 2021 15:51:03 GMT
230.002 in USA
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Post by logical on Aug 18, 2021 15:53:24 GMT
It is disappointing to hear but it is not known whether it was an engine or a battery fire. DPF overheated. What is a DPF please?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 21:18:02 GMT
If its the same as a normal vehicle
DPF Diesel Particulate Filter
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Post by grumpycat on Aug 18, 2021 21:36:16 GMT
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Post by alpinejohn on Aug 19, 2021 7:47:20 GMT
I not surprised to see the DPF was found to be the source of the recent fire. It is good to see the fire supression systems were effective. Meanwhile an Internet Search quickly found Diesel Particulate Filters are involved in recalls and class actions linked to design faults and fire risks from several engine manufacturers.
I really think it will be interesting to see how long LNWR and TFW continue to stick with diesel units on their Class 230 units now that VivalRail have a proven and Network Rail approved fast charging system, which together with the modular fork lift replacement capability, should allow diesel gen sets to be quickly replaced with battery rafts which would allow the units to operate entirely emission free with any necessary charging done during dwell time at terminal stations and overnight storage. It will be interesting to see if recent rumours about a battery Class 230 units heading for the Greenford shuttle service come to pass.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 23, 2021 9:04:38 GMT
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Post by brigham on Aug 23, 2021 9:18:07 GMT
Let's hope the webcam has been repaired by then.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 24, 2021 10:07:00 GMT
484.002 taking a sea voyage to the Island today.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 24, 2021 11:49:01 GMT
484.002 taking a sea voyage to the Island today.
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Post by d7666 on Sept 3, 2021 21:37:35 GMT
According to a new message today on WNXX forum (and duly acknowledged) the IOW replacement bus contract has been renewed to run to end of October, so maybe a few more weeks before public 484s yet then. Didn't specify which October ........
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