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Post by alpinejohn on Mar 11, 2018 14:33:23 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 11, 2018 17:31:55 GMT
A bit premature to be looking at potential rolling stock when there isn't, as yet, even funding for a feasibility study for the new infrastructure needed - even if the existing track and signalling are suitable, new stations cost serious money these days. I can't see this project seeing passenger services until the D stock is well past its 50th birthday.
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Post by pgb on Mar 13, 2018 8:56:47 GMT
Looks like Bedford to Bletchley will be the first line in the UK Click Here
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Post by orienteer on Mar 17, 2018 12:12:02 GMT
Yes, the getwestlondon article quoted above.
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Post by alpinejohn on Apr 5, 2018 19:29:44 GMT
Without any great fanfare, a photo on the VivaRail website now shows that 23001 has been fully repaired and left Long Marston for mainline tracks in the Cotswolds.
Presumably it is currently just racking up more mileage for test and performance demonstration purposes to ensure WM Trains are happy the new units will deliver. However driver training runs presumably must start fairly soon if these units are going to be ready to fully operate the passenger service on the Marston Vale line by the winter timetable which probably means it won't be long before further units will be joining 23001.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 6, 2018 11:51:16 GMT
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Post by domh245 on Jun 6, 2018 12:07:40 GMT
Indeed. 5x 3 car units, with the LU style interior (although they are replacing the 2 inner longitudinal seating areas with bay seats and tables), and most interestingly - battery powered
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 7, 2018 13:45:22 GMT
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Post by alpinejohn on Jun 7, 2018 16:01:30 GMT
I guess the real thing will be somewhat different from a digital mock-up.
The inside view shows passenger door opening buttons but none on the outside. I rather like the intra carriage links which give an open and light feel which is reminiscent of the S stock.
It has been suggested these will be hybrid power units with diesel gen packs in some rafts and batteries in others which means the units may prove a lot more versatile than some have suggested and rather than being confined to the odd branch line shuttle service they may end up being pressed into service on other duties when the planned stock proves defective a bit like pacers.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 7, 2018 16:46:52 GMT
I understand they will be hybrid units and deployed on the 'Boarderlands' (Wrexham Central - Bidston) Line.
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Post by madbess on Jun 7, 2018 17:14:54 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 7, 2018 20:21:56 GMT
And the Boarderlands, climbing from sea level at Shotton to 400' just 4miles later at Buckley, that's about 1 in 50.
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Post by rsdworker on Jun 7, 2018 23:40:28 GMT
something caught in my eye - the pohoto shows walkthrough gangways - this wasnt possible in London underground
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Post by cso on Jun 8, 2018 9:50:19 GMT
this wasnt possible in London underground Neither was running in Wales :-) I look forward to a holiday in Wales to ride on one, though!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 8, 2018 10:00:00 GMT
something caught in my eye - the photo shows walkthrough gangways - this wasnt possible in London underground Not sure why, when Metro-Cammell were building the initial batch of Hong Kong MTR and Tyne & Wear Metro trains at the same time as D Stock.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 8, 2018 14:31:34 GMT
Just five trains to operate three geographically routes with no connection between them seems optimistic.
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Post by Ben on Jun 8, 2018 16:33:55 GMT
How many units/carriages maximum might VivaRail be able to offer as rolling stock should the orders come in, given some of the reserved carriages will only ever be used as spares/donors?
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Post by metrailway on Jun 8, 2018 18:20:56 GMT
I understand they will be hybrid units and deployed on the 'Boarderlands' (Wrexham Central - Bidston) Line. Interesting that both the Borderlands line has been chosen and that the Class 230 will be battery powered. It has been a recent aspiration of Network Rail to operate battery trains to allow through running beyond Bidston to Birkenhead and Liverpool. It would make that line far more viable. How many units/carriages maximum might VivaRail be able to offer as rolling stock should the orders come in, given some of the reserved carriages will only ever be used as spares/donors? 75 units I believe There is a presentation by Adrian Shooter to LTM Friends posted last month on Youtube. Starts from 27:00 onwards:
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 17, 2018 11:21:32 GMT
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Post by Deep Level on Sept 17, 2018 12:19:54 GMT
I love what they've done with the windows!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 12:40:11 GMT
It still doesn’t look right though
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Post by brigham on Sept 18, 2018 8:48:20 GMT
They've hidden the blanked-off doors nicely, but I think yellow fronts are going to look very old very quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 14:24:22 GMT
Don't think the yellow looks any good at all. They done quite a nice job with the train, to then just splash come yellow on the front. If the edges were shaped a bit, might make it look a bit better
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Post by alpinejohn on Sept 19, 2018 7:49:05 GMT
Good to see the engines on the 230 are shut down during stops. Shame they don't do that to cut down the noise and pollution from numerous diesel engines left idling between turns at Marylebone mainline.
Strangely the start up noise reminds me of an original Routemaster bus being fired up, however once the diesel engines are running, the diesel noise is pretty much drowned out by the traction motor noise.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 19, 2018 10:55:47 GMT
Good to see the engines on the 230 are shut down during stops. Shame they don't do that to cut down the noise and pollution from numerous diesel engines left idling between turns at Marylebone mainline. The 230s diesel engines are essentially those from road vehicles which incorporate automatic start-stop technology, which first became widely used around 2008-2010. The only units in Chiltern's fleet that could even potentially have this technology are the 4 Class 172s, but even they don't have it (I don't know when the engines they use were designed, and whether the reliability implications (many more start-stop cycles) were known enough at the time). Railway driving has very different characteristics to road vehicle driving (long periods of full power and essentially nothing equivalent to a stop-start traffic jam) so the technology is not directly transposable.
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Post by brigham on Sept 19, 2018 11:51:49 GMT
I'm not sure that the idea was to transfer start-stop technology to Chiltern's fleet. I think the idea was to shut down the engines between turns at Marylebone.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 19, 2018 12:26:32 GMT
How long is the turnaround at Marylebone? How long does it take to start the engines again after shutting them down? If you shut the engines down do you have to apply handbrakes?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 12:41:00 GMT
For start stop technology to work, you need to make sure you have enough in the batteries to get the engine started again. The time the engine is off, will depend on the current draw from the battery before the engine starts itself again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 18:11:46 GMT
Can't tell you how long turn around times are at marylebone but a 165 should shut down 15 minutes after the driver has removed the key the 168 and 172 should have a similar timescale
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Post by brigham on Sept 20, 2018 7:51:09 GMT
So, essentially, the driver isn't in control. Great.
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