rincew1nd
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 10, 2014 0:15:07 GMT
We've talked about this before, a member posted some particularly eerie photos, though I can't find it just right now. If I'm right going up a flight of steps to get to the platforms also adds to the creepiness as well as the NSE signage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 1:17:57 GMT
I've always had the eerie feeling at those stations. Not the northern line side of Old Street, just the ex northern city side. You can hear a pin drop at Essex Road sometimes, it's that quiet between trains. The whole line is quite eerie in my opinion - maybe it's a legacy of the Moorgate accident. The platforms were even more eerie when they had tungsten lighting by all accounts. I agree. I walked the winding tunnels between the normal Northern Line platforms and the Northern City Ljbe platforms at Old Street and thought they were eerie too. I also think of the Moorgate disaster regarding the stations What is Tungsten lighting? Here is a video I filmed of Essex Road this week, and I walk the foot tunnels and stairs. It certainly seems like a desolate station :
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 10, 2014 10:27:44 GMT
What is Tungsten lighting? Also known as "incandescent" lighting: the light is created by heating a filament to white heat. The filaments used in light bulbs are usually made of tungsten. Most modern lighting is fluoresecent (using substances which glow in the presence of free electrons), and doesn't use a filament at all. The spectrum, and thus the apparent colour, of the light is different (and both are different from natural light). The colour balance is adapted to the human eye, but film (and digital sensors) do not replicate the human eye's colour balance responsivity perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 11:49:20 GMT
What is Tungsten lighting? Also known as "incandescent" lighting: the light is created by heating a filament to white heat. The filaments used in light bulbs are usually made of tungsten. Most modern lighting is fluoresecent (using substances which glow in the presence of free electrons), and doesn't use a filament at all. The spectrum, and thus the apparent colour, of the light is different (and both are different from natural light). The colour balance is adapted to the human eye, but film (and digital sensors) do not replicate the human eye's colour balance responsivity perfectly. So the lighting would have made the stations look darker ? Here is a picture I fohnd onljne from the L T days :
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 10, 2014 14:21:56 GMT
So the lighting would have made the stations look darker ? Overall brightness can be compensated for by faster film, faster shutter speed, or wider aperture. It's more to do with colour balance - old indoor pictures taken without flash tend to come out more orangey. It can also affect monochrome pictures: depending on how sensitive the film is to the various wavelengths in the spectrum of the lighting, the relative brightness of different objects may appear different on film to they way they do to the eye. (To take an extreme example, some film is sesntive to ultraviolet light, which is invisble to the eye: a uv source would appear bright on a photograph but dark to the naked eye)
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Post by trt on Nov 11, 2014 15:14:02 GMT
The opsins in the human eye (in the "cone" cells of the retina) are most sensitive to light of 534–545 nm and 564–580 nm (middle and long wave respectively, aka "green" and "red"). These are the most common receptor types in the retina, and lamps of a yellow/orange hue are therefore most effective at stimulating the photopic visual system. By contrast the scotopic or "night-vision" system is connected to "rod" cells filled with rhodopsin which peaks at around 500nm ("bluey-green") but which is "bleached out" at all but low levels of illumination. The "blue" cones peak at around 420nm. As mentioned above, tungsten light from a heated filament contains a preponderance of longer wavelengths and is thus more effective at stimulating the eye's photoreceptors. This is why I prefer the orange glow of sodium street lights over the newer LED broad spectrum ones. The blue component of LEDS bleaches out the rhodopsin and makes transition from day to night vision much more lengthy, whereas with the sodium lamps you are operating mostly in the mesoscopic range (where both rods and cones are operating at the same time). An interesting experiment with mesoscopic vision is to take a walk along a shoreline where there is a pier in the distance - at a great distance, the light on the end of the pier will be grey/white or twinkly blue; as you get closer and more photons are received by the eye, then you will begin to resolve a yellowish tinge to the light; move closer still and the photons will be being captured by more than a small selection of cones and the red and green lights will resolve so you can see both colours. Can you tell that the visual system is my "thang"? Anyway, the primate visual system has a feature dubbed "colour constancy", that is to say that broad categories of colour remain the same under widely varying illumination conditions; a leaf in summer is green at dawn, midday and dusk, under cloudy skies or in bright sunlight. The shade or hue may vary, but it still appears green. You can set up illumination conditions where a green surface reflects more "red" light than "green", and it still appears green providing the same illumination falls on a range of other differently coloured surfaces. Take away the other surfaces, and the green patch becomes red. This "computation" of colour is thought to occur in the both the eye and the brain according to the Retinex theory of Edwin Land, inventor and founder of Polaroid; so he knew a thing or two about colour photography! Film, of course, doesn't have a brain, so different chemistries were created for different standard illuminants - tungsten, daylight, fluorescent etc. A set of colour balancing filters which go on the lens allowed film types to be used in conditions other than the one they were formulated for, e.g. an 80A filter allows daylight film to be used indoors under tungsten light. Flash guns were formulated to produce an illumination similar to daylight. Digital cameras do have a brain, and they can correct the image to compensate for the illuminant. The camera assumes a standard illuminant based on the old film standards, but can create a colour calibration setting of their own by using a "grey 20" or other surface which is neutral (a sheet of white A4, for example). You can over-ride the automatic calculation of the illuminant, but doing so could result in a colour cast if you change lighting without changing the setting. You can read more <a href="http://www.webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/1G.html">here.</a> This site is actually an accurate description of how colour vision works. There are many, many, many sites which are, frankly, total bunkum.
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