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Post by theblackferret on Aug 31, 2014 14:10:49 GMT
Thanks, yes, it is Longcross, as that's the one in deeply wooded countryside and next to what I thought was Sunningdale Golf course, but is in fact Wentworth.
Passenger usage in 2011/12 was over 12,000 per annum, a far cry from 2005-6's 465 in a whole year!
Sunningdale, by comparison, was 684,000 usage in 2011/12.
Wiki lists Longcross as a 'minor stop', so is that the new nomenclature for a halt?
Beltring(& Branbridges Halt) on the Medway Valley Line in Kent was still signed as a halt at least until 1987. Wiki calls that a Station on & its' usage has nearly doubled from c 6,900 in 2004-5 to 13,152 in 2012/13.
Kemsing on the other line to Maidstone, was always treated as a halt by Southern Region, and is now treated as a station by Wiki. Passenger usage here has gone up from just over 11,000 to just over 20,000 in the two years above.
I originally knew these two from teenage activities & believe both are as good for said activities today.
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Post by revupminster on Aug 31, 2014 15:10:44 GMT
First Great Western designate their stations in the timetable x meaning "Request stop. Advise the Conductor if you wish to alight, signal the driver if you wish to board".
At Lympstone Commando you can only get off if you are a serviceman/woman. If you are on Army business I think you have to use the main gate on the main road on the other side of the camp. The Avocet line has a half hour service most of the day. Paignton since December has also a half hour service during the day to Newton Abbot
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Post by phillw48 on Aug 31, 2014 16:16:24 GMT
I have just been looking up another matter raised in another forum and found the statement that Emmerson Park Halt was the very last British Rail station to be lit by gas. Infuriatingly it does not give a date.
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 31, 2014 17:49:29 GMT
And, more infuriatingly, Wiki has this, when I googled Last BR station with gas lighting:
"Ilkley is notable in that it was the last British Rail station to be lit by gas. The gas lights were extinguished for the last time on 8 May 1988."
Fortunately, Ilkley is also nowhere near Selsdon nor Emerson Park, so the London crown is still up for grabs.
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Post by Hassaan on Aug 31, 2014 19:41:22 GMT
Thanks, yes, it is Longcross, as that's the one in deeply wooded countryside and next to what I thought was Sunningdale Golf course, but is in fact Wentworth.
Passenger usage in 2011/12 was over 12,000 per annum, a far cry from 2005-6's 465 in a whole year!
Sunningdale, by comparison, was 684,000 usage in 2011/12.
Wiki lists Longcross as a 'minor stop', so is that the new nomenclature for a halt?
Longcross is in the middle of nowhere! It is about a mile from the nearest houses, and a large area around it is probably private property or something as there is a large lack of Google streetview images, especially all the roads inside the golf course. Right to the south of the station is an industrial estate, again that isn't near other civilisation. Wonder what the train service frequency was like back in 2006? On the other hand, Sunningdale is right on the busy A30, and there is a level crossing, along with other civilisation.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 31, 2014 20:19:33 GMT
As far as I remember, a halt tended to be unstaffed, though not invariably, and mostly, though again not invariably, with a limited number of trains on the line in question stopping there, whereas a platform was mostly a by request stop only, and very often with a golf links or golf club in the title.
Neither definition was set in stone and both useages not only varied between the Southern & Great Western Railways, neither of those organisations were always consistent in their respective applications of the terms. Not to mention what the railway's timetables, signs or tickets might do to add to the confusion, before Bradshaw is taken into consideration.From memory, wasn't a "platform" a location that had no facilities for handling goods, rather than anything to do with passenger provision?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 20:29:40 GMT
Longcross served a Ministry of Defence establishment. According to Wikipedia, it's now a film studio.
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 31, 2014 21:01:05 GMT
As far as I remember, a halt tended to be unstaffed, though not invariably, and mostly, though again not invariably, with a limited number of trains on the line in question stopping there, whereas a platform was mostly a by request stop only, and very often with a golf links or golf club in the title.
Neither definition was set in stone and both useages not only varied between the Southern & Great Western Railways, neither of those organisations were always consistent in their respective applications of the terms. Not to mention what the railway's timetables, signs or tickets might do to add to the confusion, before Bradshaw is taken into consideration.From memory, wasn't a "platform" a location that had no facilities for handling goods, rather than anything to do with passenger provision? Now then-that could be right. I'm just thinking of a few lines here in Plymouth. The current branch to Gunnislake used to stretch to Callington and was LSWR, then Southern Railway. There were many variations of which of the stations culled in 1966 were halts-but pictures I've seen for all of Latchley, Luckett and Chilsworthy(the what-were-they trio) show minimal but clear goods handlings facilities. Compared to the GWR & the Princetown branch(closed 1956), only the branch junction(Horrabridge)& terminus had these. The three halts at Ingra Tor, Burrator and King Tor were opened years after the line and were intended for hikers etc only. And, possibly the clincher-on Brunel's main line from Exeter to Plymouth, there is, according to Wiki: Bittaford Platform[edit]
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An unstaffed station was opened by the Great Western Railway at Bittaford on 18 November 1907 and closed on 2 March 1959. It was situated immediately east of Bittaford Viaduct.
There were no goods facilities but Redlake Siding was opened ¾ mile to the west on 10 September 1911. This siding served a large china clay drier which processed clay brought by pipeline from Redlake on Dartmoor; the eight mile long, 3 ft (914 mm) gauge Redlake Tramway was used to carry materials between Redlake Siding and the clay pits.
There are no visible remains of the platform, but original iron tube fencing remains to be seen behind the site of the former London bound platform .The clay drier at Redlake Siding is still intact, now modified for use by an engineering company, despite the siding closing on 7 July 1932.
That's the only platform I can trace, note it was opened as Halt(e)s started coming into use and specifically was built without regard to goods handling. Jumping back up to Kent, the Hundred of Hoo Railway had halts at Uralite, Beluncle & Grain Crossing and all had goods handling facilities or, in the case of Beluncle were built next to a previously-existing farmer's goods siding. On the SER line from Charing X to Strood before that line branched off, Stone Crossing and Swanscombe Halts, later to become stations, had goods-handling facilities from the start for the local chalk & cement industries. Thanks-that's cleared that one up. Now if we can nail down Emerson Park's conversion!
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Post by peterc on Aug 31, 2014 21:47:34 GMT
Its many years since I used it But I thought that signage had been updated to just "Emerson Park". Is that a senior moment or has the word "Halt" reappeared?
I am not aware of it ever being a request stop.
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 31, 2014 22:05:41 GMT
Apparently, the Halt reappeared on signage in 2009 or 2010.
It's certainly never been a request stop.
Will be interesting to see what happens to the signage next year when LOL takes it over!
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 31, 2014 22:09:34 GMT
Right, finally solved the Gaslight Riddle. According to Dr Edwin Course in Middleton Press's The Tilbury loop, the gas lighting went around 1977. So, as the pictures include one from the period of diesel operation in 1976, when it's clearly still gaslit, looks like 1978 would be the latest it went. So, the award goes to-------------------- SELSDON!! Pity it's now closed & in no state to receive the award.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 15:24:36 GMT
Apparently, the Halt reappeared on signage in 2009 or 2010.
It's certainly never been a request stop.
Will be interesting to see what happens to the signage next year when LOL takes it over! Indeed, I think that the signing will changed into LO one with the rounder much like what happened on the BML.
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Post by Tom on Sept 2, 2014 21:31:05 GMT
To split hairs, Denham Golf Club never carried the name halt, it was Denham Golf Club Platform. Actually it did carry the name halt. It opened in 1912 by the GWR as a platform but certainly for a short while during the 1960s it was designated a halt by BR (W). I believe there was also another switch by the GWR from platform to halt and the back to platform during the inter war years. I'll stand corrected in that case.
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