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Post by christopher125 on Sept 25, 2014 1:59:27 GMT
Thanks to an eagle-eyed poster on London Reconnections a new map of the Crossrail-WCML link has appeared as part of HS2 Ltd's community consultations: assets.hs2.org.uk/sites/default/files/event_speakers/LWM-HS2-EN-MAP-010-000002-P06.pdfIt appears to be an evolution of TfL's proposal, with the link now fully segregated from the Dudding Hill line and with added turnback sidings and will presumably form part of the upcoming consultation. Chris |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 6, 2016 17:14:06 GMT
The proposed link from Old Oak Common to the West Coast Main Line to allow Crossrail 1 services to run to Tring has been killed off by the DfT as it does not "represent value for money". This is in a letter from the former SoS to a former DfT minister who is the MP for Hemel Hempstead (on the WCML)! www.hemeltoday.co.uk/news/crossrail-off-the-tracks-as-plans-are-shelved-1-7513704Have to say I think it's a bit short sighted really. And as for citing the Met Line ext to Watford as an alternative - ahem!    Note to Mods - the above post would really fit best in the locked "Crossrail to Tring" thread. I'm content for you to do the necessary to reopen the old thread and copy the above across and delete this new post. Threads merged as requested. (superteacher) |
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Post by phil on Aug 6, 2016 20:37:01 GMT
The proposed link from Old Oak Common to the West Coast Main Line to allow Crossrail 1 services to run to Tring has been killed off by the DfT as it does not "represent value for money". This is in a letter from the former SoS to a former DfT minister who is the MP for Hemel Hempstead (on the WCML)! www.hemeltoday.co.uk/news/crossrail-off-the-tracks-as-plans-are-shelved-1-7513704Have to say I think it's a bit short sighted really. And as for citing the Met Line ext to Watford as an alternative - ahem! Note to Mods - the above post would really fit best in the locked "Crossrail to Tring" thread. I'm content for you to do the necessary to reopen the old thread and copy the above across and delete this new post. In other words, what with several large projects (like the various electrification schemes going way over budget) the Treasury / DfT have been scrambling round for savings elsewhere. As Crossrail is effectively a TfL project anyway dropping the WCML connection is a easy way of saving some cash that doesn't cause too much political grief. Maybe they are hoping TfL will step in financially to make the figures look better - conveniently forgetting the grant TfL gets continues to reduce year on year. I don't imagine NR are particularly pleased though - its got enough headaches with the Euston rebuild as it is, without now being told it cannot reduce the number of services using the station. I just hope that passive provision is made at Old Oak so when more enlightened souls reach positions of power the opportunity is still there. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 6, 2016 22:13:15 GMT
In other words, what with several large projects (like the various electrification schemes going way over budget) the Treasury / DfT have been scrambling round for savings elsewhere. As Crossrail is effectively a TfL project anyway dropping the WCML connection is a easy way of saving some cash that doesn't cause too much political grief. Maybe they are hoping TfL will step in financially to make the figures look better - conveniently forgetting the grant TfL gets continues to reduce year on year. I don't imagine NR are particularly pleased though - its got enough headaches with the Euston rebuild as it is, without now being told it cannot reduce the number of services using the station. I just hope that passive provision is made at Old Oak so when more enlightened souls reach positions of power the opportunity is still there. To be strictly correct the DfT and TfL are joint sponsors of Crossrail. I cannot see TfL being able to come to the rescue of this link to the WCML. They have no great need to because they are not seeking devolution of any of London Midland or Southern's services that run on the WCML. TfL will have enough of a problem keeping its own services running and coping with the Mayor's fare and ULEZ demands. I assume DfT have taken a considered view about the impact of HS2's rebuild and on the West Midlands and WCML franchises (both due for renewal within the next few years) and have still concluded they can manage without the CR1 link. I'd love to see the analysis behind that. Anyway I agree with you that passive provision should be made at OOC but I'm not at all confident that proper passive provision for a load of sensible rail developments will be provided. It only takes an error of a few metres in curvature or height and prospects can so easily be ruined. |
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Post by crusty54 on Aug 7, 2016 1:39:01 GMT
It's hard to drop something that isn't part of a project.
It was examined as a possible later add on and found to be wanting.
I used to travel regularly on an Intercity service to Dover from the WCML.
This ran via Kensington (Olympia).
Poor loadings even in peak season.
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Post by mrjrt on Aug 7, 2016 1:41:15 GMT
It is my understanding that the flyover viaduct and 3 reversing sidings will still be built as planned (see www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=132693635&postcount=1028 ) - it's the tunnel, curves and parallel tracks alongside the Dudding Hill line that appear to have been killed off. The positive is that the flyover and the sidings remain in the plans; this future-proofs things somewhat, as it preserves the junction to the New North mainline (in a way). Hopefully this means that projecting Crossrail services over the NNML will now be re-evaluated properly (rather than using data from a very, very long time ago, as was done last time), and we shall see if future synergies can be found with the eventual project to electrify the Chiltern mainline, which would make getting Crossrail to High Wycombe easy from an engineering standpoint - the minimum that would be required is restoring the few miles of double track between Northholt Junction and the new turnback sidings at Old Oak Common and electrifying it. You can add on nice-to-haves like reinstated platforms at Greenford and North Acton (or, rather than North Acton, perhaps even finally building the fabled Park Royal Picc/Central interchange with bonus Crossrail platforms), but these aren't essential to start with, IMHO. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 18:40:31 GMT
If ever a decision is made about where Watford DC services are going if they are required to vacate Euston apropos HS2 development (and the proposed mega interchange at Old Oak Common) then something would also need to be done about London Midland services using Euston platforms 8 - 11 (when Watford Dc are not using platforms 9 & 10 for 6 minutes 3 times an hour for cleaning out discarded copies of the Metro) and ideas about WCML trains from Tring or further out using Crossrail or duplicating Southern but heading for Victoria instead of East Croydon OR bypassing Clapham Junc and heading for Waterloo would need to be brought into plans OR the decision is taken that existing Euston terminators (and everything else on the WLL, NLL, ELL) stays put and HS2 is planned round that.
Little can be planned until OOC is sorted out and THAT depends on Crossrail & HS2 and so it all goes round in circles again.
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