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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 16:04:27 GMT
Hello there,
Before Celia Drummond announced the stations on the 1996 stock DVA, there used to be a female announcer known as Anita. Anita still announces where the trains terminate, but little is known about her.
Does anyone have any evidence of who could be Anita ?
Thanks to all :-).
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Post by superteacher on Jul 15, 2014 20:38:14 GMT
Don't know, but she always reminds me of The Queen!
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Post by domh245 on Jul 15, 2014 20:52:09 GMT
Hmmm. It might be worth you trying to send off a Freedom of Information request to TfL about it, along with some of your other unanswered questions. You could get some definitive answers! That's not to say that there isn't the information on here buried away in one of our collective heads, but you will probably get an answer quicker through an FoI.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 15:35:19 GMT
Hmmm. It might be worth you trying to send off a Freedom of Information request to TfL about it, along with some of your other unanswered questions. You could get some definitive answers! That's not to say that there isn't the information on here buried away in one of our collective heads, but you will probably get an answer quicker through an FoI. Thanks, I might try your suggestion.
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Post by metrailway on Jul 16, 2014 19:04:04 GMT
Good old Anita. I love it when she says WILLESSSSSden Green! But my favourite announcement of hers is "this train terminates at NEEEEEEEEEEEEEASden."
I also like the terse announcements of Michael Meech on the 1996 Stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 15:58:58 GMT
Good old Anita. I love it when she says WILLESSSSSden Green! But my favourite announcement of hers is "this train terminates at NEEEEEEEEEEEEEASden." I also like the terse announcements of Michael Meech on the 1996 Stock. So do I.
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Post by Alight on Jul 18, 2014 10:22:29 GMT
It’s ‘Anita’, which I’ve seen acronymised as ‘ANITA’ to stand for ‘Another Naff In-Train Announcer’ but this is probably just a rumour!
FOI requests have already been made in the past and, alas, TfL have no record of who voiced these original announcements! She does, however, voice the U-Bahn announcements in English, which I have recordings of if anyone is interested!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 12:38:55 GMT
It’s ‘Anita’, which I’ve seen acronymised as ‘ANITA’ to stand for ‘Another Naff In-Train Announcer’ bus this is probably just a rumour! FOI requests have already been made in the past and, alas, TfL have no record of who voiced these original announcements! She does, however, voice the U-Bahn announcements in English, which I have recordings of if anyone is interested! Please can you send me the U-Bahn announcements? Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:31:33 GMT
Two things irritate me with Jubilee Line announcements. One is the excruciatingly plummy 1950s upper-class-twit add-on at certain stations, e.g. at Green Park "... Change here for the Piccadilly Line. Exit here for Buckingham Peless".
The other is the terse "The NEXT station is closed. This train will not be stopping at the NEXT station". Nice voice (presumably Michael Meech?), but why oh why can't the system cope with identifying the name of the next station, e.g. Bond Street, so people know where it's not stopping? The Northern and Bakerloo manage this at Embankment, so why is the Jubilee so lazy?
I do however share the general appreciation of Anita's ceremonious rendition of Willesden Green. A merry young female was mimicking it all the way from North Greenwich to Waterloo the other day ("This train terminates at WILLESden GREen").
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 13:20:04 GMT
Two things irritate me with Jubilee Line announcements. One is the excruciatingly plummy 1950s upper-class-twit add-on at certain stations, e.g. at Green Park "... Change here for the Piccadilly Line. Exit here for Buckingham Peless". The other is the terse "The NEXT station is closed. This train will not be stopping at the NEXT station". Nice voice (presumably Michael Meech?), but why oh why can't the system cope with identifying the name of the next station, e.g. Bond Street, so people know where it's not stopping? The Northern and Bakerloo manage this at Embankment, so why is the Jubilee so lazy? I do however share the general appreciation of Anita's ceremonious rendition of Willesden Green. A merry young female was mimicking it all the way from North Greenwich to Waterloo the other day ("This train terminates at WILLESden GREen"). That male voice you heard was Michael Meech, who worked for BBC radio - I even have found a website to prove it. The reason why the Jubilee line DVA did not announce what station was closed (Bond Street) was because that DVA announcement was manual, as are the other Michael Meech ones installed on the DVA system. I do not think that the Jubilee line DVA has an automatic announcement to tell which station is closed - I think it just goes silent for closed stations or the driver has to play a manual announcement or even do the announcement him/her self.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 13:29:24 GMT
Anyone who is interested to hear Micheal Meech's "This train will not stop at the next station" (Which I think is rarely heard) here is a Youtube clip:
Copy and paste link into your web browser's address bar and then skip ahead on the video to 1:28
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 20:24:34 GMT
It’s ‘Anita’, which I’ve seen acronymised as ‘ANITA’ to stand for ‘Another Naff In-Train Announcer’ but this is probably just a rumour! It was more than a rumour
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 20:29:44 GMT
Two things irritate me with Jubilee Line announcements. One is the excruciatingly plummy 1950s upper-class-twit add-on at certain stations, e.g. at Green Park "... Change here for the Piccadilly Line. Exit here for Buckingham Peless". The other is the terse "The NEXT station is closed. This train will not be stopping at the NEXT station". Nice voice (presumably Michael Meech?), but why oh why can't the system cope with identifying the name of the next station, e.g. Bond Street, so people know where it's not stopping? The Northern and Bakerloo manage this at Embankment, so why is the Jubilee so lazy? I do however share the general appreciation of Anita's ceremonious rendition of Willesden Green. A merry young female was mimicking it all the way from North Greenwich to Waterloo the other day ("This train terminates at WILLESden GREen"). That male voice you heard was Michael Meech, who worked for BBC radio - I even have found a website to prove it. The reason why the Jubilee line DVA did not announce what station was closed (Bond Street) was because that DVA announcement was manual, as are the other Michael Meech ones installed on the DVA system. I do not think that the Jubilee line DVA has an automatic announcement to tell which station is closed - I think it just goes silent for closed stations or the driver has to play a manual announcement or even do the announcement him/her self. I worked with Michael Meech for several years when he did the morning travel updates for the Underground. He was always bright and cheery when he came into the Head Controller's office early every (Mon-Fri) morning. And I think he was a bit of an enthusiast (he might not like me saying that!) and he was always willing to have explanations as to why things happened, rather than just 'report' them and take things at face value. A grand chap. Voices don't always indicate everything. Never judge a book by its cover, as the saying goes.
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Post by brigham on Jul 22, 2014 8:55:33 GMT
Nothing wrong with Michael Meech's voice. He has the measured tones which the BBC has developed to achieve maximum clarity for a polyglot audience. Just the sort of audience one might find in a sprawling cosmopolitan metropolis.
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Post by Alight on Jul 22, 2014 17:48:46 GMT
Two things irritate me with Jubilee Line announcements. One is the excruciatingly plummy 1950s upper-class-twit add-on at certain stations, e.g. at Green Park "... Change here for the Piccadilly Line. Exit here for Buckingham Peless". Those add-ons you describe are still Celia, though admittedly they sound different (more plummy, I agree) because many were re-recorded and so there is noticeable variation. I remember reading somewhere on here the assumption that the re-recordings were to make the announcements sound slightly more cheery, which makes sense as it prepares one for the even more cheery Anita to read out "NEEEEEEASSSSSSDEN!" Of course, the main driving force behind the re-recordings was to change "Docklands Light Railway" to "DLR" True, the Bakerloo line specifies the station, but as far as I'm aware the Northern line just says "the next station is closed." Maybe the Jubilee line T/Ops should just stick to good old-fashioned driver-led announcements á la the Piccadilly line at Gloucester Road... obviously with this comes the risk of considerable variation in terms of quality of delivery!
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Post by t697 on Jul 23, 2014 17:46:38 GMT
The other is the terse "The NEXT station is closed. This train will not be stopping at the NEXT station". Nice voice (presumably Michael Meech?), but why oh why can't the system cope with identifying the name of the next station, e.g. Bond Street, so people know where it's not stopping? The Northern and Bakerloo manage this at Embankment, so why is the Jubilee so lazy?
I recall that at least originally we provided a 'station skip' feature that could be selected with a single button press. I can't recall the exact wording but it was along the lines of "The next station is closed. The next stop with this train will be [name of station two beyond the one the train is at]".
I've never witnessed this used and I think instructions have always been to do something else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 11:23:51 GMT
Two things irritate me with Jubilee Line announcements. One is the excruciatingly plummy 1950s upper-class-twit add-on at certain stations, e.g. at Green Park "... Change here for the Piccadilly Line. Exit here for Buckingham Peless". Those add-ons you describe are still Celia, though admittedly they sound different (more plummy, I agree) because many were re-recorded and so there is noticeable variation. I remember reading somewhere on here the assumption that the re-recordings were to make the announcements sound slightly more cheery, which makes sense as it prepares one for the even more cheery Anita to read out "NEEEEEEASSSSSSDEN!" Of course, the main driving force behind the re-recordings was to change "Docklands Light Railway" to "DLR" True, the Bakerloo line specifies the station, but as far as I'm aware the Northern line just says "the next station is closed." Maybe the Jubilee line T/Ops should just stick to good old-fashioned driver-led announcements á la the Piccadilly line at Gloucester Road... obviously with this comes the risk of considerable variation in terms of quality of delivery! I think that the Bakerloo line 1972 stock DVA is more up to date than the Jubilee and Northern line DVAs. As far as I'm aware, the Northern line DVA has pretty much been the same since the late 90s - although I think it has had various add ons and small updates, but nothing major. For example, before approaching a station like Moorgate on the Northern line, a "Please mind the gap between the train and the platform" announcement plays, which sounds slightly different to all of the other announcements. To my knowledge, the Northern line DVA announcements were experimentally changed on a few trains in 2002 to sound different, but these were not very successful, so they were changed back to the original announcements. The Jubilee line DVA was updated in 2004 (I think!), and that was to change ANITA's station announcements to Celia's and to add "The next station is" announcements, but ANITA's "This train terminates at [Insert train destination]" and "All change please!This train terminates here! All change!" announcements stayed on the trains. So I think the reason why the DVA does not announce the closed station (if it is closed) on the Northern and Jubilee lines because they've not been 100% updated, like the Bakerloo line DVA announcements were (Emma Clarke who replaced VERA) in the early 2000s. Does that make sense :-)?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 20:18:00 GMT
A couple of things that have always puzzled me about the Jubilee DVA:
1) The alternating between the female and male "all change" announcements - particularly the male "This train will now TERMinate here".
2) Why the North Greenwich exit for the 02 is recorded to sound as far removed from the original recording/intonation as could be.
3) Why the recording of the Overground interchange at Canada Water is so horrendously inarticulate - Change here London Uvergruhn
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Post by Alight on Aug 5, 2014 20:49:46 GMT
1) The alternating between the female and male "all change" announcements - particularly the male "This train will now TERMinate here". The male voice is manually selected by the driver, whereas the female voice (Anita) is triggered automatically. Recorded at a later date, so just a case of the recording studio not advising Celia to blend into the existing tones! Again, recorded at a later date but I too question why the two words in question weren't better enunciated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 10:05:45 GMT
I found a clip with the BVE version of the Jubilee line which has the original Anita DVA announcements: However, does anybody here have any real-life audio or video recordings of these announcements, or part of the video/audio has an announcement in the background? I appreciate that back then, there was very little recording on the tube then now because of how technology has changed and developed. It would also be nice if anyone here has a video/audio recording of the old Piccadilly line DVA announcements - see the thread here: districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/23883/old-piccadilly-line-dva-announcementsThanks everyone!
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Post by jammers on Nov 24, 2014 20:15:15 GMT
Does anyone find it incredibly irritating that at every stop it now announces Thank You for travelling on the Jubilee line. Awful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 22:39:11 GMT
Isn't that one done by the drive (the drive has to press a button)?
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Post by Alight on Nov 25, 2014 20:58:53 GMT
That's right, spinba11. Therefore you must have been incredibly unlucky that day, jammers!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 23:26:05 GMT
I've been unlucky a few times as well, as why does it sometimes skip "this station is...." and says "this train terminates at X" as the doors open?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 19:34:36 GMT
I totally agree, I've had it a couple of times recently - the male voice proclaiming "Please take all your belongings with you. Thank you for travelling on the Jubilee line", at every station. Excruciating!
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Post by wimblephil on Nov 27, 2014 5:49:44 GMT
Yeah, I hate the Jubilee DVA. The awful intonation of the afore mentioned being one of the main factors; the 02 sounding very off, and with the 'Change for London Overground' mentions, it's said in such a way that you expect it to be followed by a 'Services to X'. The way it is at the moment makes it sound like it's just been cut dead. It's awful.
The Willesden & Neasden pronunciations are granted amusing as a first and second time tourist, but once a regular traveller, the novelty soon wares off! It's just plain annoying.
The male announcements are just unkind! The volume feels higher and you're effectively been shouted at rather scornfully. I don't like them anyhow!
Going off on a tangent, but there's much I don't like about the Jubilee line; the horrible array of colours within the cars and just the sheer awfulness of them, the whirring sound the train makes each time upon moving from still (music for some, but it just hurts my ears!), the noise of rushing through the tunnels, particularly on the extension (you really have to SHOUT just to have a conversation with the person next to you). It's just. Eugh.
Not my favourite line by a long shot. I'm just glad it's not my local! I don't think I could cope...!
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 27, 2014 7:38:13 GMT
Yeah, I hate the Jubilee DVA. The awful intonation of the afore mentioned being one of the main factors; the 02 sounding very off, and with the 'Change for London Overground' mentions, it's said in such away that you expect it to be followed by a 'Services to X'. The way it is at the moment makes it sound like it's just been cut dead. It's awful. The Willesden & Neasden pronunciations are granted amusing as a first and second time tourist, but once a regular traveller, the novelty soon wares off! It's just plain annoying. The male announcements are just unkind! The volume feels higher and you're effectively been shouted at rather scornfully. I don't like them anyhow! Going off on a tangent, but there's much I don't like about the Jubilee line; the horrible array of colours within the cars and just the sheer awfulness of them, the whirring sound the train makes each time upon moving from still (music for some, but it just hurts my ears!,) the noise of rushing through the tunnels, particularly on the extension (you really have to SHOUT just to have a conversation with the person next to you). It's just. Eugh. Not my favourite line by a long shot. I'm just glad it's not my local! I don't think I could cope...! Here you go Phil, I've crossed it all out for you.
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Post by wimblephil on Nov 27, 2014 8:19:14 GMT
Haha! Good riddance! Might as well take a stab at the Bakerloo whilst your at it. That one one gives me a headache! Stock is too old! Needs a bloody good refurb!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 12:17:03 GMT
ANITA - A Noisy Interruption To All !
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 27, 2014 12:24:54 GMT
Re: the manual announcements being repeated there is at least one Piccadilly driver who loves to play with the announcements at each station - no smoking, keep your bags with you etc. (I probably come across this 2/3 times per year, which I guess statistically is right for the number of times you might catch a train driven by the same driver?).
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