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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 13:56:30 GMT
With many S7 stock trains now using the island platforms at Barking, I was just wondering if the bay platform (platform 3) is still in use or not. Also why is it that for terminating trains drivers only open the doors on the right as one faces the front of the train?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 5, 2014 14:21:38 GMT
With many S7 stock trains now using the island platforms at Barking, I was just wondering if the bay platform (platform 3) is still in use or not. Also why is it that for terminating trains drivers only open the doors on the right as one faces the front of the train? H&C trains use pfm.3 at Barking from early morning-1000, 1545-1945 M-F, very few around 0630 on Sat, and all day on Sundays. There is no need to open the doors towards pfm.1 at Barking, as most passengers want to alight or continue eastbound.
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Post by crusty54 on Jul 5, 2014 18:55:07 GMT
The few remaining trains that use Platform 3 will be reduced even further later in the year.
All the signing will soon be changed to tell you to use platform 6 for Central London.
If there is a train in platform 3 you can always go one stop on a District train and change at the next station.
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 5, 2014 22:13:14 GMT
I've noticed on LUL that where the same track has platform faces on both sides the doors are often opened on the side the conductor rail is on, whereas at National Rail stations (well, Ascot and Guildford specifically) they rarely open the doors on the side of the live rail, with platform signage indicating that. Wonder why the difference in rules?
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Post by phillw48 on Jul 6, 2014 6:59:46 GMT
Given that the C stock was wider and therefore a smaller gap it might have been deemed safe to do so. It would be interesting to see if the practice continues with S stock.
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Post by revupminster on Jul 6, 2014 8:20:44 GMT
The most likely reason the doors are only opened on the right side of terminating trains is that the platform staff who close the doors via the porter buttons are based on that platform.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 6, 2014 9:44:12 GMT
The most likely reason the doors are only opened on the right side of terminating trains is that the platform staff who close the doors via the porter buttons are based on that platform. Although there aren't any porter buttons on the S stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 10:17:01 GMT
The most likely reason the doors are only opened on the right side of terminating trains is that the platform staff who close the doors via the porter buttons are based on that platform. Although there aren't any porter buttons on the S stock. You have to hold the buttons for passenger door operation down and it closes up all the doors on one car. I don't know if there's a particular button (or either button on a particular set of doors) you have to use, but I - uh - don't think so.
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Post by paulsw2 on Jul 6, 2014 12:43:52 GMT
Although there aren't any porter buttons on the S stock. You have to hold the buttons for passenger door operation down and it closes up all the doors on one car. I don't know if there's a particular button (or either button on a particular set of doors) you have to use, but I - uh - don't think so. We select platform close from the cab press both close buttons and this sets up all the internal door buttons as a porter button 1 button will close all doors on that particular car then when I walk through the train I bash my head on all the damned yellow grab straps
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Post by causton on Jul 6, 2014 13:04:19 GMT
You have to hold the buttons for passenger door operation down and it closes up all the doors on one car. I don't know if there's a particular button (or either button on a particular set of doors) you have to use, but I - uh - don't think so. We select platform close from the cab press both close buttons and this sets up all the internal door buttons as a porter button 1 button will close all doors on that particular car then when I walk through the train I bash my head on all the damned yellow grab straps Pretty interesting, never knew that
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 6, 2014 17:19:21 GMT
I've noticed on LUL that where the same track has platform faces on both sides the doors are often opened on the side the conductor rail is on, At Barking pfm.2, Stratford pfm.3, the positive rail is furthest from the busier platform, i.e against pfm.1 at Barking, pfm.3A at Stratford. At Loughton pfm.3 and White City pfm.2 the current rail is closest to the WB platform.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 21:05:30 GMT
You have to hold the buttons for passenger door operation down and it closes up all the doors on one car. I don't know if there's a particular button (or either button on a particular set of doors) you have to use, but I - uh - don't think so. We select platform close from the cab press both close buttons and this sets up all the internal door buttons as a porter button 1 button will close all doors on that particular car then when I walk through the train I bash my head on all the damned yellow grab straps How does it work if both sides are open eg eastbound District line at Barking (when they start running to Upminster)?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 21:11:32 GMT
Well I suppose if it was really necessary to open up on both sides despite terminating, you could always close up on one side from the cab and leave the other side to be closed up by the porter buttons. There might of course be a way of setting it up so you could have the passenger door operation buttons operate as porter buttons on both sides of the train, but I can't think of any reason why you'd want to have to close up both sides of a train carriage by carriage using porter buttons. Surely that's not done at the moment either?
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Post by PGtrips on Jul 7, 2014 13:43:52 GMT
The few remaining trains that use Platform 3 will be reduced even further later in the year. All the signing will soon be changed to tell you to use platform 6 for Central London. Is the plan to abolish use of Barking bay altogether and if so, what is this meant to achieve? Does this not reduce operational flexibility if everything has to reverse via the sidings - or have I misunderstood what is proposed?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 7, 2014 15:22:44 GMT
Is the plan to abolish use of Barking bay altogether and if so, what is this meant to achieve? With an extra train being provided and all trains reversing via the sidings the layover gets extended from the 6mins allowed for reversing via the bay, to 12mins. Therefore service recovery is greatly enhanced. Long term plans under the Bombardier resignalling contract were for the bay to remain with the added advantage of being able to reverse east>west in pfm.2.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 7:44:29 GMT
Talking of platform both sides, on the middle road at Golders Green, the doors are opened only on the side that would be appropriate to take another train in the same direction. Then the train is closed, and, if reversing in the middle road, opened up the other side once the driver has changed ends. I've never checked the conductor rail layout there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 9:13:47 GMT
Talking of platform both sides, on the middle road at Golders Green, the doors are opened only on the side that would be appropriate to take another train in the same direction. Then the train is closed, and, if reversing in the middle road, opened up the other side once the driver has changed ends. I've never checked the conductor rail layout there. I've noticed a similar thing take place at Loughton too.
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Post by Colin on Jul 21, 2014 15:37:15 GMT
Also why is it that for terminating trains drivers only open the doors on the right as one faces the front of the train? As has already been stated in this thread, you can't really close a train up car by car if both sides are open as you can't tell if anybody is on the opposite side of the train nor stop them from boarding it. We therefore only open on the busiest side when terminating (c2c side), and if we were originally running through to Dagenham or Upminster, the left side is closed before commencing the full detrainment car by car. As for S stock, its impossible to set the train up for detraining car by car with both sides open - the only way it can be set up is with one side open and one side closed which is exactly how its always been done anyway!
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Post by danwoodhouse on Oct 30, 2014 10:55:29 GMT
are any H&Cs booked to turn back at Paistow or west Ham?
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Post by paulsw2 on Oct 30, 2014 14:42:11 GMT
are any H&Cs booked to turn back at Paistow or west Ham? There are a couple Mon Sat late evening evening and I believe 3 on Sunday evenings that reverse via Plaistow bay. No trains are booked to reverse in West Ham Siding but there is one booked to run in each direction WB/EB as a rusty rail move
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 15:00:11 GMT
The bay platform at Barking seems to be not used any more as all H&C train now go into platform 2 except for two trains which are using it at around 6am
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Post by Colin on Dec 19, 2014 15:49:13 GMT
That's right - things changed when the new timetables came in this week.
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 20, 2014 6:45:50 GMT
well when it not used - they could remodel the station - cover the old track with new cover meaning can be used as wide platform but station needs remodeling like removing old tracks and adjusting it
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Post by DWS on Dec 20, 2014 18:27:57 GMT
well when it not used - they could remodel the station - cover the old track with new cover meaning can be used as wide platform but station needs remodeling like removing old tracks and adjusting it Barking is owned by Network Rail and staffed by c2c platform and ticket office, the only LUL platform staff are the detainment guys. If money was available it could be done but this unlikely to happen in 2015.
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Post by Colin on Dec 20, 2014 22:50:16 GMT
Just because the H&C no longer use the bay road, it doesn't mean its not being used at all!! Usage has switched - all District trains reversing at Barking now use the bay road so its very much in daily use!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 23:48:28 GMT
Just because the H&C no longer use the bay road, it doesn't mean its not being used at all!! Usage has switched - all District trains reversing at Barking now use the bay road so its very much in daily use!!! And since alternate Tower Hill trains are now projected to Barking that is a lot more District Barking trains than hitherto!! The terminating at Barking and opening of doors is a problem with no easy solution. The Overground service is now a lot more popular and non-opening doors to p1 by a terminating train can cost an intending customer a 15 min wait for the next LO service! The original District Line instruction for S stock was that both sides were to be opened and then P1 side closed and de-trainment set up. Unfortunately this just took way too long and resulted in service delay, it was thus discontinued almost immediately ... H&C S stocks weren't doing it anyway. Through trains will still open both sides.
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Post by DWS on Dec 24, 2014 17:26:06 GMT
Let's hope when the Overground gets extended to Barking Riverside this will see most Overground trains use platforms 7 & 8 .
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Post by su31 on Dec 29, 2014 8:15:25 GMT
When 'D78' stock terminated at Barking only the right hand side doors opened anyway, so I don't see why 'S' stock should do anything different!
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 29, 2014 9:20:19 GMT
Three District line trains an hour will be reversing in this platform from now on.
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Post by paulsw2 on Dec 29, 2014 11:25:11 GMT
there are 3 H&C's booked to use the bay mon-fri 2 early am & 1 late evening for road training purposes.
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