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Post by afarlie on Mar 22, 2014 23:27:55 GMT
In a previous thread it was mentioned that some London Underground stations had pubs.
Is there a list of these anywhere?
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Post by hobbayne on Mar 23, 2014 10:49:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 10:51:00 GMT
The only ones I can think of were the Hole in the Wall on platform 1 at Sloane Square, Pat-Mac’s Drinking Den on platform 1 (Circle, H&C. Met) at Liverpool Street and Moriarty’s on the concourse at Baker Street. There is also the Lemon Tree on platform 6&8 at Stratford which was still serving a few years back but technically that’s Network Rail/BR
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Post by class411 on Mar 23, 2014 11:31:08 GMT
Kew Gardens (shared with BR) has an interesting one.
It wouldn't really qualify because, although you can sit next to a full length window that runs alongside a platform, you cannot actually access the pub from inside the station.
Nonetheless, it's a lovely place to have a pint or glass of wine after a visit to Kew Gardens on a nice, sunny, summer's day.
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Post by londonstuff on Mar 23, 2014 12:28:39 GMT
Kew Gardens (shared with BR) has an interesting one. It wouldn't really qualify because, although you can sit next to a full length window that runs alongside a platform, you cannot actually access the pub from inside the station. Nonetheless, it's a lovely place to have a pint or glass of wine after a visit to Kew Gardens on a nice, sunny, summer's day. We've been there before one summer for a Forum Meet Social. It was great.  |
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Post by railtechnician on Mar 23, 2014 12:31:18 GMT
I had many a pint in Moriarty's at Baker Street although I can't recall what it was called before it was refurbished as that. At Liverpool Street there was the bar on the outer rail Met platform and the Lord Aberconway, another popular haunt when I worked there, upstairs which had direct access from ticket hall 'A' before it was sealed up. Kings Cross Met inner rail/concourse had a bar with access from both sides as I recall.
As mentioned there was the bar on the platform at Sloane Square and also one in the ticket hall at South Kensington.
Of course those were public bars, there were also private staff bars in non-public areas at stations such as Wood Green and Camden Town and the supervisors dining club in the South Kensington complex where meals could be accompanied by alcohol. I would include the staff bar at 55, Broadway too where I also enjoyed many a lunch in the canteen with a pint in the bar to follow as it was effectively part of the station complex. There were other staff bars such as at Telstar House, Paddington, although that was an off premise site and in the same vein was the BR off premise club at Kings Cross station and also the BR Northern hotel bar and several others which we would frequent 'in the good old days'.
The station modernisation and UTS programmes in the 1980s were responsible for the loss of many such facilities and the introduction of the LU D&A policy effectively closed the survivors.
Back in the day wherever one worked on the system a watering hole was never really far away except at some of the outer stations where transport was required to reach a pub. Union business was usually held in a pub somewhere, I attended evening union meetings in pubs at Kings Cross and Tufnell Park in the 1980s. I have to say that it was not the best way to conduct union business as decisions were seldom made with clear heads!
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Post by barrybahamas on Mar 23, 2014 13:20:40 GMT
I remember the one at Sloane Square, as when I worked at Victoria and lived in Richmond would pass it on the way home; after a tough day, having persuaded myself not to have a pint at Victoria, the temptation at Sloane Square to jump off the train and have a quick one proved too much. Luckily, this wasn't habit forming as the beer was rubbish!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 23:38:56 GMT
Remnants of the station pub at sloane square still remain to this day, and being a daily commuter to the station, I would gladly welcome its return (swill or not!)
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Post by roythebus on Apr 26, 2014 19:02:25 GMT
There was a pub on the footbridge/concourse at Gloucester Road; PG crews were known to fill their tea cans there on a Sunday before working a few circles! Tea without milk? East Ham e/b had one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 10:32:23 GMT
I remember the one at Sloane Square, as when I worked at Victoria and lived in Richmond would pass it on the way home; after a tough day, having persuaded myself not to have a pint at Victoria, the temptation at Sloane Square to jump off the train and have a quick one proved too much. Luckily, this wasn't habit forming as the beer was rubbish! I travelled from St James Pk to Southfields so I always hoped for a Richmond or Ealing train to come first so I could hop off at Sloane Square, have a drink and jump on the next Wimbledon. |
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Post by theblackferret on May 19, 2014 22:11:02 GMT
Yes, the remnants of Sloan Square definitely still there.
That's a massively wide Westbound platform & a BIG snack shop sitting there, as rather a giveaway.
I think there was one or two others along that side of things on the Circle/District, Victoria and what's now Embankment under whatever guise it had around 1969-73ish come to mind, from my memories of then, and brown ale, Mackeson, Courage Velvet stout, port & Double Diamond!
And the pub grub was sophisticated for those days. Cheese AND onion rolls, not just plain cheese.
Unfortunately, tempis has rather fugited since, and I don't suppose we will be returning to licensed bars on Tube platforms. Possibly, more's the shame!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 19:04:30 GMT
Is there any pictures of these pubs on stations?
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Post by theblackferret on May 22, 2014 21:38:19 GMT
Yes, just put the pub name & location in to Google, followed by images:  Thanks to legacy.co.history.uk for that image, complete with Kim, the buffet cat in 1938!! Works for Hole In The Wall Sloan Square, anyway!! Steve |
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Post by towerman on May 23, 2014 13:11:35 GMT
Used to be a bar in the Ticket hall at Victoria & on the outer rail platform at Liverpool St.
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Post by theblackferret on Jun 30, 2019 10:22:20 GMT
A mere five years later, I've just been able to confirm that there was indeed another one on the way back to Victoria/Charing Cross from Sloane Square.
I'm just reading John Betjeman's 1972 London's Historic Railway Stations & have reached Victoria therein. The Underground station is dismissed peremptorily as of no architectural merit, but he mentions:
It is, however, graced on the westbound platform by a public bar. In the last few months this has been shut, owing, I am told, to 'a shortage of staff. It could of course be that too many people reeled out onto the electric lines, but as there are still bars on the Inner Circle platforms at Liverpool Street and Sloane Square, perhaps this one at Victoria may yey be reprieved.
Makes you want to raise a glass in his memory!!
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Post by silverfoxcc on Jun 30, 2019 12:20:05 GMT
Being a bit pedantic, wasn't the 'bar' at Liverpool St on the 'outer' circle.
If my addled memory is correct and i am going back nearly 60yrs when a 12yo schoolboy would have raised eyebrows going into it, it was to the East die of the centre of the station.
As an aside the current issue of the London Railway Record has a very good article on the origins of the station and the Arcade above
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Post by theblackferret on Jun 30, 2019 14:54:51 GMT
Being a bit pedantic, wasn't the 'bar' at Liverpool St on the 'outer' circle. If my addled memory is correct and i am going back nearly 60yrs when a 12yo schoolboy would have raised eyebrows going into it, it was to the East die of the centre of the station. As an aside the current issue of the London Railway Record has a very good article on the origins of the station and the Arcade above (Sir) John was 66 himself when that was published and may have had a few more snifters by then than you have had subsequently!! I was sure the 'missing one' that turned out to be Victoria was on the same-direction platform as Sloane Square and that's now proved to be the case. As for Liverpool Street, well, I was using these establishments on some Saturdays during the football season between about 1967/8 through to 1974. If I couldn't afford to follow my club (Man. Utd.), I'd most often go to Chelsea's home games, or Tottenham's if desperate and if the latter, I'd walk to Seven Sisters Tube rather than go via BR(E) Northumberland Avenue/Bruce Grove to Liverpool Street, so either way, I'd not be passing through LS. So, I reckon we need input on your question from West Ham fans in particular-sorry I can't assist further & all Betje does is say re LS 'Nowhere in London is there quite so bad a connection with the Underground', though he reckoned the cafeteria/teashop (not licensed) perched on the higher-level walk there in those days was the best place in London for elevenses, and that's the third time I've seen it mentioned in dispatches by three different authors. |
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Post by pitdiver on Jul 1, 2019 7:37:36 GMT
I don't know about a pub being on a station but at Chorleywood there's a pub just outside the STN where on a "busy" Sunday lunchtime you stood a good chance of seeing the station staff having their "lunch".
Those were the days
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Post by peterc on Jul 1, 2019 15:04:41 GMT
Being a bit pedantic, wasn't the 'bar' at Liverpool St on the 'outer' circle. If my addled memory is correct and i am going back nearly 60yrs when a 12yo schoolboy would have raised eyebrows going into it, it was to the East die of the centre of the station. As an aside the current issue of the London Railway Record has a very good article on the origins of the station and the Arcade above Was it not common for the Circle Line to be known colloquially as the "Inner Circle" by people of Sir Jon's generation despite the Outer Circle service being discontinued in 1908. |
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Post by theblackferret on Jul 1, 2019 17:12:16 GMT
Being a bit pedantic, wasn't the 'bar' at Liverpool St on the 'outer' circle. If my addled memory is correct and i am going back nearly 60yrs when a 12yo schoolboy would have raised eyebrows going into it, it was to the East die of the centre of the station. As an aside the current issue of the London Railway Record has a very good article on the origins of the station and the Arcade above Was it not common for the Circle Line to be known colloquially as the "Inner Circle" by people of Sir Jon's generation despite the Outer Circle service being discontinued in 1908. Yes, as a matter of fact, he refers elsewhere in the Victoria description twice to the South Eastern & Chatham side (it wasn't, it was built in the 1860's for the Chatham(LCDR)) and once to the post-1899 SECR arrangement when they were combined under a distinctive and separate committee. So he was not as fully-versed a railway historian as he was on churches or station architecture. |
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Post by littlejohn on Jul 1, 2019 18:12:59 GMT
My mother, who was born a year or so before the beginning of WW1, always referred to the Circle Line as the Inner Circle, probably because that was what her mother called it. It wasn't until the 50s that I realised that by that time there was only one Circle Line.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 1, 2019 19:07:08 GMT
Yes, as a matter of fact, he refers elsewhere in the Victoria description twice to the South Eastern & Chatham side It became the SECR before Betjeman was born. To refer to it as the LCDR side would be as anachronistic as a modern commentator talking about the District Line station at South Harrow |
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Post by theblackferret on Jul 1, 2019 19:53:46 GMT
Yes, as a matter of fact, he refers elsewhere in the Victoria description twice to the South Eastern & Chatham side It became the SECR before Betjeman was born. To refer to it as the LCDR side would be as anachronistic as a modern commentator talking about the District Line station at South Harrow A 1-1 draw here;he refers to the South Eastern & Chatham's rebuild, which followed the Brighton's of 1898, so is correct about the set-up under which the later rebuild was effected. But he previously refers to the SE & C's original occupancy from the 1860's & that is inaccurate, as the South-Eastern already had a West End terminus in Charing Cross. Meanwhile, I remember the food on offer in the two District Line dives was pretty limited-crisps, peanuts, cheese rolls & hot meat pies. The beer (in my quaffing days) was usually from bottles & my choice was either Courage Velvet Stout, or Double Diamond (which would have been spiritually most at home at King's Cross St Pancras of any Tube station, considering where it was brewed). And it was relatively non-lukewarm as well. For the uninitiated, Courage VS was like a well-sweetened Guinness, DD was an India pale ale & I don't expect either is still going. |
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Post by Chris M on Jul 1, 2019 20:56:23 GMT
According to Wikipedia, Double Diamond is still available but since 2003 only as a keg beer only (unless you are Prince Phillip, allegedly).
Courage VS is listed at Wikipedia and is not, unlike some other entries, marked as retired but the source is dated 1976. The only internet hits seem to be reminiscences suggesting it's no longer in production but I can't verify that.
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Post by class411 on Jul 2, 2019 7:50:35 GMT
All LU staff should be given a small glass of DD as they clock off.
It would perform miracles.
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Post by littlejohn on Jul 2, 2019 8:03:07 GMT
and Work Wonders
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Post by nickf on Jul 2, 2019 8:27:06 GMT
"So drink one today" (Sung by a Bass voice.) |
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Post by revupminster on Jul 2, 2019 9:04:32 GMT
I think in the working timetables the current Circle Line is known as Inner Rail and Outer Rail probably to make it different from Outer Circle and Inner Circle that existed 100 years ago.
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Post by class411 on Jul 2, 2019 9:06:26 GMT
I think it was the general ghastliness of this beer (in keg form), together with that of Watney's Red Barrel,that fomented CamRA.
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Post by theblackferret on Jul 2, 2019 9:08:33 GMT
Well, my surname is Greek, but that's about the only thing I can swing re impersonating Phil & even my paternal forbear actually changed his surname by deed poll in Xanthi in 1870 on reaching his 21st birthday to the Greek version from the Italian original-maybe he was desperate for a drop of DD instead of flipping Chianti or Ouzos! On the station pubs/bars, I don't recall the District pair having a jukebox between them, whereas the third watering-hole I used on those Saturdays, Victoria Coach Station cafeteria(if I'd got the Maidstone & District coach * up, due to lack of cash) most definitely did. And talking of Maidstone, pitdiver might like to know there were two very close to Maidstone West station around that time, both used by station staff. One had the novel idea of a back room annex complete with Dansette record-player & vinyl albums as a jukebox-much appreciated by those of us who didn't want their prog rock/acid folk interrupted by Rolf Harris, Dawn or Englebert Humperdinck. * = a variant of the B-word which conveys passengers along roads.I think it was the general ghastliness of this beer (in keg form), together with that of Watney's Red Barrel,that fomented CamRA. You've nailed that in one-that's how I remember it was in bottles in the District bars. There was one apt word for all keg beer tin those days, which we won't exercise the mods with. |
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