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Post by Chris W on Jan 3, 2014 11:33:02 GMT
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 3, 2014 15:21:53 GMT
FWIW my ten penn'orth is to build a completely new deep level system beneath all of existing London infastructure, fit for purpose and designed to last. It matters not how much money is pumped into existing Underground and Overground railways in the capital, it will never be enough and the whole lot should be replaced with a completely new system using infinitely recyclable assets and integrated with a similar brand new national rail network. It would require major investment in other utilities too, communications, water, electricity etc and require new manufacturing facilities. An opportunity to provide full employment for decades and to put the UK at the forefront of technology and innovation once again. Unfortunately we have a bunch of incompetents fighting to run the country every four of five years and hundreds of local politicians hell bent on playing divisive political games, all of whom apparently have our best interests at heart though in reality that could hardly be farther from the truth for the most part as consensus on any topic is as rare as hen's teeth. Of course this is a simplistic view and there are many more factors to be considered but an excellent start would be made if someone could knock all their heads together to produce a national infrastructure replacement plan for the future that they would all sign up to and abide by.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 3, 2014 19:28:04 GMT
FWIW my ten penn'orth is to build a completely new deep level system beneath all of existing London infastructure, fit for purpose and designed to last. It matters not how much money is pumped into existing Underground and Overground railways in the capital, it will never be enough and the whole lot should be replaced with a completely new system using infinitely recyclable assets and integrated with a similar brand new national rail network. It would require major investment in other utilities too, communications, water, electricity etc and require new manufacturing facilities. An opportunity to provide full employment for decades and to put the UK at the forefront of technology and innovation once again. Unfortunately we have a bunch of incompetents fighting to run the country every four of five years and hundreds of local politicians hell bent on playing divisive political games, all of whom apparently have our best interests at heart though in reality that could hardly be farther from the truth for the most part as consensus on any topic is as rare as hen's teeth. Of course this is a simplistic view and there are many more factors to be considered but an excellent start would be made if someone could knock all their heads together to produce a national infrastructure replacement plan for the future that they would all sign up to and abide by. Or they could find a way to keep the numbers of people in metropoleis down to manageable levels. As you say RT, there should be a transport infrastructure overhaul of the highest calibre, but in the end it will still fail. No infrastructure will ever be enough if the current proliferation of humanity within these areas carries on unabated. Even your excellent idea of an even deeper system would be swamped within a few years (just like the Overground) due to the mismanagement of the populace. Sadly, all of the "solutions" mentioned will fail if the numbers of people aren't controlled and I'm astonished that nobody ever seems to refer to this, the one massive elephant in the room that's the root cause of all the difficulty. Like RT I'm lucky enough to live somewhere where I don't spend my time wrestling with others to live my life and I don't envy those who still do, sincerely.......it's a nightmare. Rich
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 1:48:14 GMT
build a completely new deep level system beneath all of existing London infastructure The problem, though, is that eventually you get so deep that the time taken to get from street to platform is a significant part of the journey, at which time people just take the bus. Indeed, I worry that this might happen with Crossrail as some of those platforms are way away from their surface entrances.
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 4, 2014 8:21:40 GMT
build a completely new deep level system beneath all of existing London infastructure The problem, though, is that eventually you get so deep that the time taken to get from street to platform is a significant part of the journey, at which time people just take the bus. Indeed, I worry that this might happen with Crossrail as some of those platforms are way away from their surface entrances. The answer to that is high speed lifts, the technology for which has been around for decades. As for buses, will they still exist in 50 years or so? I could imagine London having trams as the only public transport at surface level within a 5 mile or greater radius of Trafalgar Square and all other vehicles except essential emergency services, utility and delivery vehicles banned from the area.
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