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Post by dazz285 on Nov 3, 2013 18:14:30 GMT
Found this article the other day at www.transportbriefing.co.uk/news/story?id=9704 about the S-stock cabs being refitted. But the article is subscription only and all I need to know was what is being addressed in the refit as this might affect me and fellow drivers on LO. Thanks Dazz285
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Post by domh245 on Nov 3, 2013 19:03:55 GMT
As far as I know, it is only a select few S8s (the ones going back to Derby) and as to what is being redone, they are just replacing the seats, as they were "unpopular" with drivers, and doing some other small modifications. I'm afraid that it won't have any affect on you LO drivers, unless you start complaining about something!
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Post by version3point1 on Nov 3, 2013 20:08:09 GMT
As far as I know, it is only a select few S8s (the ones going back to Derby) and as to what is being redone, they are just replacing the seats, as they were "unpopular" with drivers, and doing some other small modifications. I'm afraid that it won't have any affect on you LO drivers, unless you start complaining about something! Pretty much most, if not all, the driving seats have been replaced. It's not so much a case of the seats being "unpopular" – when you're doing 50mph over some rough track, the last thing you want is to actually have the seat rocking around, or readjusting the position itself. We used to have two levers to adjust how far forward or back the seat was and sometimes the catches would weaken causing the seats to just slide forwards and back. The new single lever and seats are a lot more robust. Also much safer – a lot of the rails that the seats sat on were exposed, with the lubrication, and it was a case of greasy hands sometimes or catching your hands on bits – these have now been better housed and covered. There are plans to fit a rudimentary volume control for our train radio as there is currently no volume control. Also plans to improve the HVAC and the "eyeball" scoop vent (some flaps to allow fresh air into the cab). The workbank trains already have vent mod, and also a whistle mod. Countless other things I could go on about, but it's nothing major that you would really notice as a refit. They're just mods following feedback.
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Post by Colin on Nov 4, 2013 15:27:34 GMT
There are plans to fit a rudimentary volume control for our train radio as there is currently no volume control. Do you not have the same connect radio unit as the rest of us then? You can control the volume by holding the tick button in for two seconds, which brings up flashing "volume"......you simply tick again and use the left or right arrows to select your desired volume level...... What we actually need is the ability to cancel a call request.
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Post by version3point1 on Nov 4, 2013 19:23:49 GMT
There are plans to fit a rudimentary volume control for our train radio as there is currently no volume control. Do you not have the same connect radio unit as the rest of us then? You can control the volume by holding the tick button in for two seconds, which brings up flashing "volume"......you simply tick again and use the left or right arrows to select your desired volume level.... Sorry – I should've been more clear, but seeing as we're talking about S stock here, I gather you may not have had much experience or had any stock training on them having only just started receiving them on the District. For starters, though the actual box looks and mostly behaves the same, yes, they are different when it comes to adjusting volume to the speakers in the cab. On S stock, since roll out, there have been no independent volume controls. Hence the need for mods, and there were plans to install a small volume control knob underneath the radio unit, next to the other comms buttons. As and aside; 1973 stock also have something similar (a small volume knob on the Cab Audio Display Unit) as they also do not have independent volume control via the method you describe.
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Post by dazz285 on Nov 5, 2013 14:42:02 GMT
Cheers guys for all of the info. Turns out our seats, even though they are bad & are on a 2nd mod, are different to the s stock.
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Post by Colin on Nov 5, 2013 15:26:31 GMT
I gather you may not have had much experience or had any stock training on them having only just started receiving them on the District. Only about a third of the Earls Court drivers have been S stock trained so far. We're not being done at the east end until next summer (ie, when D stock gets replaced) although there is a rumour that some of us east end I/O's may be trained next month so that we can assist with training trips...... Can't say I'm surprised that they've managed to install the same piece of equipment yet have it working differently; only on LU!
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Post by snoggle on Nov 6, 2013 13:04:05 GMT
The Sub Surface project has had to go and seek release of contingency funding for a range of issues associated with the project. There is a TfL paper outlining the funding and the issues on the TfL website. TfL paperTrain cabs are but one issue requiring action. Platform / train interface is another.
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Post by Colin on Dec 3, 2013 0:42:59 GMT
East end district I/O's are being trained on S stock - started my course yesterday - as we were being shown round the train that's stabled in Upminster depot, I asked the question about volume control on the connect unit and we found that it can be altered as I described!
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Post by version3point1 on Dec 3, 2013 15:56:41 GMT
East end district I/O's are being trained on S stock - started my course yesterday - as we were being shown round the train that's stabled in Upminster depot, I asked the question about volume control on the connect unit and we found that it can be altered as I described! Well - hooray for the District line! This is on the understanding you could audibly hear the change with the loudspeaker audio output (via general broadcast), I take it? To further clarify the deal with the loudspeaker volume (not earpiece volume): S8's have the ability to access the menu on the Connect (sporadically) and make the display show you are turn up/down volume with a bar indicator, but this has absolutely no effect on the loudspeaker audio output. The same I recall for S7+1 that I have been on in the earlier part of the year, but as I am not a sole S7 driver (especially brand new ones), I can't vouch for the unit(s) you are being trained on. However, as will the remain the case until further notice, the S stock fleet has not been given this new mod. If you are sure the audio output on the loudspeaker volume can be controlled, this would/should have been published in an SSR update. Which it hasn't since I last read.
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Post by Colin on Dec 3, 2013 16:14:02 GMT
Ah! I dunno if it actually works or if its just for show - perhaps I'll be able to further check out the situation when I do my driving trip next week...... The cab we checked in Upminster depot was 21303; so rather than being a newish S7 it is actually the second one which dates back to summer 2012
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Post by causton on Dec 4, 2013 0:39:40 GMT
So in other words, a volume control that goes up and down but doesn't...change...volume? Top quality there
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Post by version3point1 on Dec 5, 2013 20:39:57 GMT
So in other words, a volume control that goes up and down but doesn't...change...volume? Top quality there Basically. Not sure how that got past quality control, but never mind! I did have a video I'd filmed in the depot demonstrating the awkwardness, but I can't find it for some reason. Never mind. As I'd said (as she crosses her fingers), upgrades have promised us a mod, but progress is slow at the moment with getting stuff up to Derby and back, with more and more mods needing to be done, so I don't know what the schedule is looking like at the moment. But the HVAC, TCMS software and other little bits continue to be improved now and again. So we're getting there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 10:05:05 GMT
Are the cabs watertight? Every stock I've worked on has had problems with rain seeping or pouring into the cabs from under the "M" door during heavy rain.
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Post by Colin on Dec 9, 2013 16:11:37 GMT
Further update from one of our trainers: "the volume control does work, but as soon as you use it it defaults back to the original setting. Its a pain in the ar*e".
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Post by version3point1 on May 12, 2014 22:12:53 GMT
Further update from one of our trainers: "the volume control does work, but as soon as you use it it defaults back to the original setting. Its a pain in the ar*e". Genuine volume control, finally: And HVAC... (but cba to post that here as well... but you all get the idea...)
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