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Post by metman on Feb 8, 2015 16:29:32 GMT
At a guess I believe the seat layout will be unchanged excepting the removal of a few seats in the 43XX cars. There is rather a lot of equipment under the seats on the 1972 stock and space is cramped. As the design was based on the 1967, rheo braking and ATO equipment led to an additional contactor bank and hence the MA had to go under the trailers!
I don't know if they will receive DMI I hope not as this is the last traditional stock left in a relatively original condition.
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Post by A60stock on Feb 8, 2015 16:33:02 GMT
if they are to comply with DDA regulations by 2020 i would not be surprised if they do recieve dmis
Also metman, regarding traditional-ness, dont forget the 1973 stock!
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Post by metman on Feb 9, 2015 19:04:26 GMT
They've been quite heavily modified in my opinion, Internal and external DMIs, end car windows, major seating modifications. Don't get me wrong, they are good modifications......
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Post by Antje on Feb 9, 2015 19:43:57 GMT
They've been quite heavily modified in my opinion, Internal and external DMIs, end car windows, major seating modifications. Don't get me wrong, they are good modifications...... I've got to see images of the work in progress if it is possible.
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Post by bigvern on Feb 9, 2015 22:24:02 GMT
As I said earlier, there is no change to the layout in the vehicles, the majority of people will not notice any difference in this work, other than the change in floor colours, currently to the same colours as on NL, although this is subject to change, currently no additional Rail Vechicle Accessable mods being carried out, so no wheelchair or DMI's fitted. The work is not a refurbishment but life extension work to the vehicle structures to keep them running for the next 15 years or so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 19:10:42 GMT
Will the interiors looks much different after a full refurbishment? Will there be DMI's fitted and seating layout changes to match the likes of newer stock such as the 2009 stock or refurbished 1995 stock? I personally doubt the interior layout will change too much as there is a lot of equipment that would need to be moved around. I expect some seats will go to make room for wheelchair bays (based on discussions I have had with a few engineers).
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Post by snoggle on Mar 4, 2015 15:28:17 GMT
I confess I have not been following the debate about life extending the 72 stock so apologies if any of what follows has already been mentioned. However there is a funding paper going to the Finance and Policy Committee next week that outlines that the first train in for mods is in worse condition than expected and therefore the scope for the first 7 trains has to be expanded. The paper sets out the issues and includes photos of some of the failed assets that have been discovered. www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/fpc-20150311-part-1-item15-bakerloo-line.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 18:54:42 GMT
Thanks for linking that.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 4, 2015 22:51:56 GMT
There is a mistake in that report. It says that the fleet is 37 years old. I'm sure the 1972 Mk 2 trains entered service in 1973, so that would make them 42 years old.
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Post by carltona on Mar 5, 2015 15:21:32 GMT
From the document linked by snoggle: Replacement of Reavell Conversion (modification) with the common Westinghouse version. 5 cars out of 108 are fitted with a different compressor. Standardise the fleet for future maintenance.
How did it come about that five cars had a different sort of compressor?
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Post by Chris M on Mar 5, 2015 15:44:08 GMT
That sounds like it was a trial that wasn't successful enough to be rolled out fleet wide but wasn't unsuccessful enough to be worth replacing the trial compressor before its end of life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 16:00:22 GMT
Is it because the odd cars are the ex-MkIs? Just a thought and not necessarily a fact .....
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Post by bigvern on Mar 5, 2015 19:04:02 GMT
The Reavel compressors were fitted on all 1967ts and to the early 72 Mk1s, but this changed later on the build to the Westinghouse, as some of the Northern Mk 1s which were refurbished are now on the Bakerloo line these had original Reavel compressors fitted.
Just as a note when the 67 TS fleet was enlarged by some 72 Mk1s they were selected as having Reavel compressors, however I do remember at least one unit having the Westinghouse compressor, which caused the depot problems as had no spares!
Thee Westinghouse compressors are readily available now so make sense to standardise the BAkerloo line fleet, however the mounting bracket arrangement is completely different and involves a lot of underframe welding work to change them, as significant welding repairs are being undertaken now it is a lot easier to do, anyway the Reavel compressors are not used on many other LU vehicles now.
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Post by towerman on Mar 13, 2015 13:23:54 GMT
As an aside the first 51 units of 67TS had English Electric MAs which had step up transformers(58v to 116v)rather than the usual step down transformers(230v to 115v)which were on 3052 onwards and all 72TS(MK1 & Mk2)
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 20:44:43 GMT
I saw a refurbished 1972 train at Harrow & Wealdstone station and the end off the cab of the 4 car set In the centre of the train was painted maroon! Is this now the new livery or a one off?
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Post by North End on May 16, 2015 22:23:59 GMT
I saw a refurbished 1972 train at Harrow & Wealdstone station and the end off the cab of the 4 car set In the centre of the train was painted maroon! Is this now the new livery or a one off? XF I can't remember how many units have been done, however at least one unit was done in order to allow a single unit to operate on the Network Rail section. LU's derogation from the standard yellow cab is based on their trains having red cabs. I can't recall if the white/blue cabs of the middle cars have ever operated on the NR section - obviously pre-refurbishment the 72 stock cabs were completely unpainted. If I recall correctly, at the time the reason was that a complete train could work to Acton Works, then the 4-car unit could if required return to Stonebridge Park alone. Since the Jubilee Line went over to Seltrac this isn't now possible under normal operations, but presumably a 4-car unit with red 33XX cab could work singly back from Queen's Park or London Road if there was ever a need. It's worth adding that the Aldwych 72TS unit also has red cabs, but my understanding is this was done for filming reasons to make the train look more like modern stocks.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 22:43:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 8:49:11 GMT
Have you got a working image? This one seems to be unavailable.
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Post by rincew1nd on May 21, 2015 19:00:02 GMT
I think it only works if you're a member of Facepest.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 19:16:58 GMT
I do have a Facebook account. Though I suspect the picture is in a group I cannot access.
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Post by antharro on May 21, 2015 22:00:40 GMT
Not working for me either, and I'm definitely logged into FB.
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Post by rsdworker on May 22, 2015 17:10:13 GMT
same - that picture needs be external linked example fLicker or other
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Post by carltona on Aug 21, 2015 16:15:41 GMT
I've noticed a few parts of ex 67stock appearing in a few vehicles. I assume this been added from a store of parts ad hoc rather than as part of the refurbishment process. I'm referring to blue handrails mainly.
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Post by A60stock on Aug 21, 2015 17:44:39 GMT
am i right in now thinking that the trains will pretty much look the same once they start to be replaced?
As for DDA requirements, how are tfl planning to get round this if there is no guarantee that interior dmis and disabled areas will be provided?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 18:28:55 GMT
From what I have seen, they look pretty much the same but refreshed. I have only however seen them mid overhaul.
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Post by piccboy on Aug 22, 2015 1:43:44 GMT
I've noticed a few parts of ex 67stock appearing in a few vehicles. I assume this been added from a store of parts ad hoc rather than as part of the refurbishment process. I'm referring to blue handrails mainly. Were the handrails 67 stock blue by any chance? Have seen an odd blue air vent opener.
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Post by carltona on Aug 22, 2015 22:33:09 GMT
I've noticed a few parts of ex 67stock appearing in a few vehicles. I assume this been added from a store of parts ad hoc rather than as part of the refurbishment process. I'm referring to blue handrails mainly. Were the handrails 67 stock blue by any chance? Have seen an odd blue air vent opener. Indeed, some handrails are "Vic Line blue". One I was looking at last week appeared to be new/unused so perhaps a stock of spares was passed to the Bakerloo from Northumberland Park stores when the 67s were withdrawn.
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Post by towerman on Aug 28, 2015 11:20:25 GMT
Most parts on67/72TS were interchangable.
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Post by astockfan101 on Aug 28, 2015 12:04:12 GMT
The main difference between them was then they were new was that the 67 stock was ATO but the 72 stock used Guards as normal.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 28, 2015 12:42:45 GMT
I'm trying to recall whether 1972 stock was built with provision for possible future ATO conversion in mind?
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