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Post by metrailway on Jun 22, 2013 0:08:53 GMT
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 22, 2013 7:17:05 GMT
Interesting but it's difficult to see what new traffic it might attract on any substantial scale - Waterloo is hardly a major traffic objective in its own right and XR1 (albeit with a change) will give better central area access. The numbers look low at first glance, especially for the Heathrow link.
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Post by ianvisits on Jun 22, 2013 8:17:19 GMT
A lot of this is about tidying up the Windsor situation where you have two stations, fairly close to each other, but separate, and serving very different markets.
Centralising that into a single station with links in both directions makes a lot of sense in terms of travel flexibility, and releases a lot of land for redevelopment.
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Post by castlebar on Jun 22, 2013 8:31:26 GMT
Agreed with ianvisits,...
.....but extra traffic might be generated if the Slough West chord was reinstated
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 22, 2013 9:44:02 GMT
castlebar/ianvisits - I agree that with both that and a Heathrow link, the project becomes an alternative to the usually-toted western access to the airport. On its own, tho', you would have to release an awful lot of land to repay the cost of the project. Typically, land constitutes about 20-30% of development costs in urban centres, so we would have to be looking at a half-billion development or thereabouts. That is big - we'd be looking at a Westfield or similar - not sure I can see a releasable site of that size. Perhaps a theme park instead - the "Windsor Experience"; on second thoughts... G
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 9:20:01 GMT
Quite a few issues to overcome with this project.
1 The location of the new station
2 How to implement this scheme without damaging the environment in an historic royal town.
3. I would think that the route into Windsor from Slough would have to pass under Eton and them the Thames which again is not easy.
I think that this proposal will get a lot of negative responses from the residents of Windsor & Eton and the project will quietly disappear in a few years time.
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Post by castlebar on Jun 23, 2013 9:59:18 GMT
@ xercesfobe Re "3" Why? ?? SURELY you know the extant Slough-Windsor (ex-GWR)line was once double tracked, (poss broad gauge) but is single tracked now. So there is capacity WHY are you suggesting going under the Thames when the existing, now single line goes over. IF you go under the Thames(!!), where do you go from there?? DO you have any local knowledge??
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Post by melikepie on Jun 23, 2013 10:37:16 GMT
I wonder what will happen about the proposed station at Chalvey
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 11:18:04 GMT
@ xercesfobe Re "3" Why? ?? SURELY you know the extant Slough-Windsor (ex-GWR)line was once double tracked, (poss broad gauge) but is single tracked now. So there is capacity WHY are you suggesting going under the Thames when the existing, now single line goes over. IF you go under the Thames(!!), where do you go from there?? DO you have any local knowledge?? I lived in Slough for over 20 years and go to Slough and Windsor very frequently PLEASE! think about this one, how do you get from the Windsor side of the Thames bridge to the former Southern lines without destroying the riverside at Windsor? windsorlink.co.uk/XF
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Post by castlebar on Jun 23, 2013 13:14:21 GMT
@xercesfobe
OK. Thank you for adding the link
The link seems to illustrate a stylised 125 crossing the viaduct on it's logo
Therefore, I must conclude from that, assuming it is accepted that Central is slightly better sited than Riverside, no new river crossings are on anyone's radar, and that the one station will probably be near where the coach park is now, south of Alexandra Gardens.
From there, I suspect it will go sub-surface and connect with Southern tracks somewhere near Romney Lock. This is likely to be the COMPARATIVELY least expensive option, with any other routing making the whole thing cost prohibitive AND a non-runner on the grounds of needing to demolish buildings that can not be demolished. I don't think tunnelling under the Thames is really a runner, unless you know might differently.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 23, 2013 13:32:48 GMT
As far as I can tell from the rather sketchy details on the website windsorlink.co.uk/why/for-my-area/windsor/, the proposal is for a cut and cover route on the south (Windsor) bank, running from somewhere near Black Potts viaduct (the LSWR crossing of the Thames), past Riverside station, along Datchet Road and Thames Avenue, and through the coach park, then rising up somewhere (where? this is the most intrusive bit) to meet the existing GWR viaduct before it crosses the Thames. All for £150m? Including a new subsurface station, as neither of the existing ones are on this alignment? And for what? Windsor itself is a major traffic generator, but how much potential through traffic is there between Slough and Staines? Bear in mind that the Waterloo-Staines route already has connections to the GW lines, via Reading. For that matter, changing trains at Windsor is very easy - the stations are less than 400 yards apart - about the same as changing from Piccadilly to Thameslink at Kings Cross/St Pancras, but step-free!
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Post by rapidtransitman on Jun 23, 2013 18:05:12 GMT
The future phases mention the possibility of CrossRail routing trains thru Windsor, which may be the real goal of this project.
In any case, increasing rail network connexions and providing thru service betwixt the existing Windsor stations only improve rail transport options. Plus the westsides connexion to Heathrow reduces the need for circumferential rail journeys or car trips from the south and west to the airport.
Obviously the question is does it have a good BCR?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 20:43:53 GMT
For that matter, changing trains at Windsor is very easy - the stations are less than 400 yards apart - about the same as changing from Piccadilly to Thameslink at Kings Cross/St Pancras, but step-free! It may be "step-free", but I think the steep hill might put off anyone concerned about such things!
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