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Post by metrailway on Jun 3, 2013 8:12:55 GMT
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Post by castlebar on Jun 3, 2013 8:46:03 GMT
I smell another lobbying group behind this, "suggesting" ways of raising money, ignoring the implementation costs involved
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 8:58:42 GMT
I smell another lobbying group behind this, "suggesting" ways of raising money, ignoring the implementation costs involved And cost of renaming back after the sponsorship ended. Perhaps only possible for new stations. At one stage a proposed Central/Piccadilly line interchange station at Park Royal was going to be named after nearby Guinness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 9:04:31 GMT
Actually BBC have got it wrong, if you read the report they suggest that stations could be sponsored but there's no mention of lines other than ex-Deputy chair of TfL Daniel Moylan dismissing the idea of “Sainsbury’s Northern Line” as “unacceptable”. glaconservatives.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Untapped-Resource.pdfThey’ve done a survey of members of the public to back up their proposal but not a survey of the big businesses they are hoping to attract which you would have thought would be more informative. By their own admission they admit have no idea how much money it would raise but they hail the sponsorship deals on the Bike Hire Scheme and the Cable Car as examples of how this would work which is amusing as they seem to have brought little benefit to TfL while proving very generous to Barclays and Emirates.
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 3, 2013 10:59:24 GMT
Haven't we been here before? I seem to remember Bond Street being "adopted" by MacDonalds in the pre-Ken era.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 11:07:01 GMT
There are already many National Rail stations sponsored by companies, and displaying phrases such as "Home of..." on often barely-legible bespoke signs that must be extremely hard to locate/read for a large section of society, being as far from the clear standardisation of the railway alphabet as you could imagine.
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Post by domh245 on Jun 3, 2013 11:17:50 GMT
I must agree that putting a few "home of" stickers on platforms could work, although redoing every tube map or replacing roundels is a bit too much. A simple "Home of Hurrads" (as it appears in the proposal!) or "Home of Chelsea Football Club" on the platform would bring in revenue, and be simple to remove when the deals ended. Putting the names on maps would probably be a bit too much, and it would become unreadable, but I do think some more sponsorship might be a good thing, just not the way the tories have suggested.
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Post by bassmike on Jun 3, 2013 11:25:13 GMT
anything this "government" proposes is 99% likely to be dodgy
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 3, 2013 11:33:56 GMT
- if not downright illegal...
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Post by trt on Jun 3, 2013 12:02:58 GMT
Westminster, home of The Whopper?
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Post by bicbasher on Jun 3, 2013 12:34:20 GMT
BBC London are suggesting Harrods could sponsor Knightsbridge, Nike Town at Oxford Circus and Greggs The Bakers at Baker Street.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 14:00:30 GMT
anything this "government" proposes is 99% likely to be dodgy Actually this is just the Tory AMs at the GLA, not the government, Boris doesn’t even seem to be in favour of this and Daniel Moylan pooh-poohed the idea when he was deputy chair at TfL.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 16:18:57 GMT
BBC London are suggesting ... Greggs The Bakers at Baker Street. Not sure how that would go down with Wenzels!
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Post by bicbasher on Jun 3, 2013 16:30:05 GMT
A friend reminded me that Tramlink renamed Ampere Way tramstop with IKEA branding. It has since reverted.
Also tube stations are no stranger to corporate sponsorship, Leicester Square was sponsored by Capital Radio, you may remember the big sunshine logo all over the station? Also Camden Town had station sponsorship from an outfit called XFM in 1997.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 16:33:00 GMT
They can F**k Off with this idea.
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Post by castlebar on Jun 3, 2013 16:45:56 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 3, 2013 17:20:17 GMT
Also tube stations are no stranger to corporate sponsorship, Leicester Square was sponsored by Capital Radio, you may remember the big sunshine logo all over the station? Also Camden Town had station sponsorship from an outfit called XFM in 1997. Also, Southfields about to be plastered for it's umpteenth year of sponsorship.
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Post by bicbasher on Jun 3, 2013 17:21:17 GMT
London Tonight (ITV News London) came up with some just as bad suggestions for station sponsors. Vauxhall - Vauxhall cars. London Bridge - ITV News London Bridge. Bank - Barclays, Natwest or Co-Operative (Geddit?) They also came up with Greggs for Baker Street. I can see Surrey CC who own the cricket ground doing something with TfL for Oval station.
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Post by andypurk on Jun 3, 2013 23:46:36 GMT
Must say that I can't really see the problem, but also that I don't think it is anything new. Some stations have already had a large amount of corporate advertising, with all the poster positions used for one company and with extra vinyl advertising and use of the electronic displays as well. Examples can often be seen at Euston, both on the escalators from the LU ticket hall to the mainline station and on the escalators down to the lower levels past the gateline. I can certainly remember the Range Rover campaign covering most of the upper part of the station.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 0:03:36 GMT
I can see Surrey CC who own the cricket ground doing something with TfL for Oval station. Surrey CCC are just tenants, the Oval is owned by the Duchy of Cornwall aka Prince Charles Must say that I can't really see the problem, but also that I don't think it is anything new. Some stations have already had a large amount of corporate advertising, with all the poster positions used for one company and with extra vinyl advertising and use of the electronic displays as well. Examples can often be seen at Euston, both on the escalators from the LU ticket hall to the mainline station and on the escalators down to the lower levels past the gateline. I can certainly remember the Range Rover campaign covering most of the upper part of the station. If you read the report the idea seems to be long term sponsorship deals and rather than a few stickers this would be permanent signage plus the name emblazoned on the Tube map as per the Emirates Cable Car. In 2011 when Oxford Landings wanted to re-brand Oxford Circus TfL wanted £10m for ten years to keep in with the intellectual property laws , they only wanted 3 months for a lot less so the deal fell through.
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Post by trt on Jun 4, 2013 9:16:00 GMT
Cockfosters, the Amber Nectar?
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Post by geriatrix on Jun 4, 2013 12:52:01 GMT
Wembley Pork
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Post by andypurk on Jun 4, 2013 16:45:57 GMT
Must say that I can't really see the problem, but also that I don't think it is anything new. Some stations have already had a large amount of corporate advertising, with all the poster positions used for one company and with extra vinyl advertising and use of the electronic displays as well. Examples can often be seen at Euston, both on the escalators from the LU ticket hall to the mainline station and on the escalators down to the lower levels past the gateline. I can certainly remember the Range Rover campaign covering most of the upper part of the station. If you read the report the idea seems to be long term sponsorship deals and rather than a few stickers this would be permanent signage plus the name emblazoned on the Tube map as per the Emirates Cable Car. In 2011 when Oxford Landings wanted to re-brand Oxford Circus TfL wanted £10m for ten years to keep in with the intellectual property laws , they only wanted 3 months for a lot less so the deal fell through. I did read the report, my point is that this sort of sponsorship is NOT new, the only thing that is different is the timescale. Many mainline stations (as other have mentioned) have semi-permanent sponsorship deals, with companies included on the signs. Tfl would just need to make sure that they get enough money up front to remove any additional signage if the deal ends early. Of course, Arsenal FC got a lovely cheap deal when Gillespie Road was renamed, or doesn't that count?
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Post by SE13 on Jun 4, 2013 17:07:20 GMT
Arsenal funded all the sign changes, map changes and so on, so whether they got a cheap bargain or not remains to be seen.
The plan was to move the station to Ashburton Grove on the opening of the new ground, Arsenal were going to fund that as well, but for some reason it never happened.
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Post by Ben on Jun 4, 2013 17:20:11 GMT
Utter rubbish, the whole thing. Aslefshurgged hit the nail on his head in a previous posts last paragraph. The amount of advertising on the Emerites and Barclays schemes is embarrassing to this country. There are still poster sites for advertising strewn around the network that hav not made any form of revenue since wet posters went out way back when. Until every former advertising site is filled with an advert, I don't see why ANY other place should be deemed appropriate to show sponsorship.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 4, 2013 17:34:59 GMT
Until every former advertising site is filled with an advert, I don't see why ANY other place should be deemed appropriate to show sponsorship. Which point in time are you taking as your baseline? There used to be much more advertising on platforms than there is now - Charing Cross (now Embankment) 1894, Blackfriars 1935, Paddington 1955
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Post by domh245 on Jun 4, 2013 17:36:42 GMT
I noticed that they have now wrapped another CR4000 for advertising on the Tramlink. I know some of you oppose to this advertising everywhere thing, but out of interest, do you oppose to Non-Corporate sponsorship, eg the Variobahn wrapped for Croydon Council. I would definitely say that having different liveries around does brighten your day, so maybe boroughs sponsoring stations (South Wimbledon - Merton do I hear you say?) or is that also a big no-no in your books?
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Post by Chris M on Jun 4, 2013 18:12:03 GMT
I personally have no problem with advertising or other special liveries if they are tasteful, DDA compliant, don't clash with the standard livery, don't cause confusion and aren't excessive. The black advertising livery on the DLR was well done, the white-based mobile livery was not. Not excessive to me means that the significant majority of the fleet needs to be in standard livery and the number of different liveries at any one time needs to be limited. It should be extremely unusual to see two non-standard livery trains in a row (so that anyone who doesn't recognise the train for a standard one gets the second train to come) and diagramming should be done to avoid this happening where practical. The option of wrapping just one car in a train should also be considered, although there should never be more than one such special livery on any one train.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 19:49:39 GMT
The Tescopolitan Line
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