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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 18:00:23 GMT
This my a silly question but what are pilot lights I'm guessing it has something to do with doors being open (are they the lights on the side of the train that light up when the doors are open)
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Post by Chris M on Apr 22, 2013 18:23:11 GMT
The pilot light is a light in the cab that illuminates when all the doors are proved closed. If the doors open (or there is a fault in the detection) then the motors are cut out (i.e. they are turned off if they are on, or they cannot be started if they are off) then the pilot light is extinguished (or not illuminated) as an indication to the driver about the cause of the motors cutting out/the train not starting to move (as there are other things that could cause this too). I don't know why it's called a pilot light though. ![](http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/D%20stock%20Nearside%20Panel.jpg) This picture from TubePrune shows the nearside indicator panel on an unrefurbished D stock. The pilot light is the very top left and labelled "Doors closed". This was written as a reply to a post asking what the pilot light is. That post was apparently deleted while I was replying. I'll leave my post here though in case that poster (or anyone else) is still curious.
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Post by domh245 on Apr 22, 2013 18:31:47 GMT
Pilot lights are an indicator that all the doors are proved closed. They are the ones inside the Driver's cab, as shown in Chris M's post, and in the C stock, ![here](http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/C%20Stock%20Cabpc.jpg) it is the little blue lamp at the end of the door open buttons. I think the orange lights on the outside are called Door Fault Indicators?
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Post by metman on Apr 22, 2013 18:34:32 GMT
That's correct. The orange lights on the outside are door fault indicators.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 22, 2013 18:47:53 GMT
You can see one in action on the DLR, it's the white "ADC" ("all doors closed" I presume) light on the control panel by each door. Surprisingly I've not managed to find a picture of one online, so I'll take a picture next time I'm on the DLR (likely tomorrow).
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Post by Fahad on Apr 22, 2013 23:23:43 GMT
I believe it's called a Pilot Light (colloquially or officially I don't know) as it looks like the pilot light on a gas boiler, being small and blue?
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 22, 2013 23:58:08 GMT
ISTR that there is a much more esoteric explanation, as the original pilot lights were not blue.
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Post by caravelle on Apr 23, 2013 0:04:42 GMT
If one thinks "aviation wise" it's the light that allows you to pilot the train out of somewhere... :-)
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 23, 2013 1:29:26 GMT
They also used to be in the guard's position inside the trains. The signal to proceed could not be given until the blue light indicated all doors were closed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 2:24:02 GMT
Lights on the outside of the train are ODIL's (Outside Door Indication Lights), those on the inside, not surprisingly, IDIL's (Inside Door Indication Lights). Very useful when some joker has laid a little AA battery in the door runner!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 2:38:08 GMT
Also, the whole 'pilot light' system can be overridden if the fault can't be found on any of the circuits controlling it or the doors are closed and still no 'pilot light' is obtainable. The train has to be taken out of service with all doors physically checked by the driver to ensure they are closed and then the seal is broken and the cut-out operated. I don't know what they are called on other stock but our '72's have a 'Door Interlock Cut Out Switch. If a door/set of doors remain stubbornly open then a member of staff is posted by those doors to ensure no one tries to board as it passes along the line. A couple of months ago at Piccadilly Circus THREE doors/sets could not be closed so three members of staff were needed! Station staffing levels as they are thesedays, the station had to close as it went under 'minimum numbers' and could only re-open again once they'd all got back!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 7:59:14 GMT
The “pilot light” is the “door closed visual” which as Chris M said .illuminates to indicate that all the doors are proved closed. As Crusty points out before OPO it used to be on the guard’s panel at the rear of the train but now it’s in the driving cab and as Fahad noted it’s nickname derives from its similarity in appearance to the pilot light on gas boilers.
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Post by neilw on Apr 23, 2013 8:24:29 GMT
I'm not sure it's a nickname, on a 62TS guard's panel at least it is officially labelled as such by cast-in lettering, and is referred to as a pilot light on all the official documentation such as drawings and parts lists
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Post by class411 on Apr 23, 2013 8:24:47 GMT
When trains still had guards there was a control panel at each guard station and the pilot light was explicitly labelled thus. It was a beautiful violet blue (on central line stock, at least) and is one of my earliest recollections of the underground. That light and the doors that opened and closed by themselves were the two of the main elements of the magic of system to a 3-4 y/o. Other memorable aspects were the smell - hot paxolin, I believe - and the sound of the air compressors operating.
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Post by slugabed on Apr 23, 2013 8:52:02 GMT
"Pilot" has many related meanings that indicate something that is always there in case of emergency or as a guide or indicator. Pilot light Pilot signal Station Pilot Maritime Pilot.....
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Post by domh245 on Apr 23, 2013 16:37:58 GMT
A thought has occured. Are the little Metal Protusions on the footplate which the door sits on part of the Pilot Light circuit?
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Post by neilw on Apr 24, 2013 7:53:43 GMT
no, the switches are on the door actuating mechanisms and make when the doors are fully closed
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Post by Chris M on Apr 28, 2013 18:10:28 GMT
You can see one in action on the DLR, it's the white "ADC" ("all doors closed" I presume) light on the control panel by each door. Surprisingly I've not managed to find a picture of one online, so I'll take a picture next time I'm on the DLR (likely tomorrow). Later than I promised, but I have uploaded an image of the control panel on the DLR to Wikimedia Commons: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DLR_door_controls_04.jpgI need some help with labelling though as I don't know what all the acronyms mean or what all the controls do, so if anyone ( Deep Level?) can help fill in the blanks then please do!
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Post by causton on Apr 28, 2013 19:13:44 GMT
ROD = Re-open Doors CTD = Close This Door COD = Close Other Doors IIRC from what I was last told ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) (edit: I don't know why my brain turned the O into an A in the acronym for the last one - fixed ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) )
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Post by Deep Level on Apr 28, 2013 19:48:44 GMT
RTD - Ready to Depart ADC - All Doors Closed I - Inhibited I,N,E - Inhibit, Neutral (I think?), Engaged ROD - Re-Open Doors (some say Re-Open Other Doors, which means the same thing) CTD - Close This Door COD - Close Other Doors PA - PA ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) 1 - I'm almost sure this releases the door 2/3 - No idea, speakers perhaps? 4 - Microphone for PA
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Post by Chris M on Apr 28, 2013 20:20:51 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 28, 2013 21:43:08 GMT
Looks to me like the top one isn't a switch, but a lock. Turn it and the whole panel will open.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 28, 2013 23:03:41 GMT
Could be I suppose, but why would it lock with an operators key? Taking the whole panel off wouldn't normally be done outside the depot would it? On the Stratford International emergency excercise, the doors were opened and unlocked by a switch in a cupboard adjacent to the articulation iirc.
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 29, 2013 10:48:15 GMT
"Pilot" has many related meanings that indicate something that is always there in case of emergency or as a guide or indicator. Pilot light Pilot signal Station Pilot Maritime Pilot..... Not forgetting of course the PILOT relay once found in almost all LT (and GPO/PO) switchboards/telephone panels which was operated as long as any incoming call was 'ringing' or while any conversation was in progress, the PILOT relay usually illuminating a very visible PILOT lamp to draw attention.
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 29, 2013 18:15:37 GMT
Could be I suppose, but why would it lock with an operators key? Taking the whole panel off wouldn't normally be done outside the depot would it? I guess it depends on the level of fault-finding that the Train Captains are expected to do in the event of a problem and also on what is behind the panel. I'm thinking of UndergrounD train seats which contain DICs, TUPIs and even ELs which a Train Op may need as part of their fault-finding procedure.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 29, 2013 18:37:06 GMT
Hmm, I'd be surprised if there was anything like that behind the panels. I know there are cupboards with stuff in near the articulation that are more likely to contain isolating cocks, and there are two desks of controls (the left one generally driving controls, the right one has many more buttons including for things like boot up (for want of the proper term), heating, etc. I also don't think the PSAs are required to do as much fault finding as LU t/ops, partly because more is electronic I think control can do more remotely too. Note that that lock or switch is right up at roof level, it's not easily accessible - the INE switch is above shoulder height for some PSAs.
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