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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 18:04:55 GMT
On the 24th May I'll be starting my mission to visit every station on the Underground network. And on that same day (barring acts of god or far from good service) I was planing on starting off by visiting every station on the original Circle Line. My question really is, can this be done in just one day?
My blog has more on my plans but I'm worried getting on and off at each one, as well as having my picture taken on the platform and outside will take longer than I hoped.
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Post by stevo on Mar 10, 2013 18:33:41 GMT
Should be easily done barring major disruption on the line. Flash photography is not permitted on LUL platforms, and if you need to exit each station, a paper OPTC would be best
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 18:44:07 GMT
I hope so, living up North means I don't get to go to the Big Smoke often I knew about the flash photography rule, even got in touch with TfL Film Office to let them know of my plans since I didn't want to get into trouble for taking to many pictures. Though I didn't think about using a paper ticket, was going to put a travelcard onto my Oyster.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 11, 2013 1:08:27 GMT
It should be doable, but photographing the outside of every station will take longer than you think. I recently did this with the Overground circle (Clapham Junction-Willesden Junction-Highbury and Islington-Surrey Quays-Clapham Junction) and it took approximately 8 hours. The Circle Line covers less distance, but has more stations. The key factor though is waiting for trains, and here the Circle really wins as parts of the overground are only 4tph. For some stations it will be quicker to walk at street level than waiting for trains - Great Portland Street-Euston Road-KXSP and Aldgate-Tower Hill-Monument-Cannon Street-Mansion House (and maybe also to Blackfriars) come to mind as worth investigating. Cannon Street to Monument is only about 2 minutes walk at street level and Tower Hill to Aldgate should be less than 5.
You will probably be OK on Oyster PAYG if you do some walking at street level to ensure that the system recognises you are making separate journeys. It has been known to sometimes get confused by exiting and reentering the same station within a short time if that station is part of an OSI pair. Day travelcards are not available on Oyster.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 7:53:14 GMT
Day travelcards are not available on Oyster. That might be because Oyster has an automated daily price cap which is marginally cheaper than a paper travel card. www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx
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Post by peterc on Mar 11, 2013 15:51:11 GMT
and because it was designed for normal journeys not for track bashing.
I don't think that leaving stations would be a problem except where there is an OSI. On a couple of occasions I have been caught short on the Met and had to use the facilities at Harrow which are just outside the barriers. I have always been charged for two journeys.
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Post by class411 on Mar 11, 2013 16:42:36 GMT
I photographed the outsides of about 15 stations on the Central line one day using an Oyster card and the cap worked exactly as expected.
What problems have people had?
Surely, if you are overcharged it would be a simple matter to get the charge corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 17:06:04 GMT
On the 24th May I'll be starting my mission to visit every station on the Underground network. And on that same day (barring acts of god or far from good service) I was planing on starting off by visiting every station on the original Circle Line. My question really is, can this be done in just one day? People sometimes visit every pub on the Circle line in a day; I'm sure you'll be able to manage every station...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 18:19:21 GMT
It should be doable, but photographing the outside of every station will take longer than you think. I recently did this with the Overground circle (Clapham Junction-Willesden Junction-Highbury and Islington-Surrey Quays-Clapham Junction) and it took approximately 8 hours. The Circle Line covers less distance, but has more stations. The key factor though is waiting for trains, and here the Circle really wins as parts of the overground are only 4tph. For some stations it will be quicker to walk at street level than waiting for trains - Great Portland Street-Euston Road-KXSP and Aldgate-Tower Hill-Monument-Cannon Street-Mansion House (and maybe also to Blackfriars) come to mind as worth investigating. Cannon Street to Monument is only about 2 minutes walk at street level and Tower Hill to Aldgate should be less than 5. You will probably be OK on Oyster PAYG if you do some walking at street level to ensure that the system recognises you are making separate journeys. It has been known to sometimes get confused by exiting and reentering the same station within a short time if that station is part of an OSI pair. Day travelcards are not available on Oyster. Well I was planning on walking between some of the stations since like you said, it would be quicker then waiting and a few of them are close together. I was going to get the 7 Day travelcard on the Oyster as I'll be down London a few days, should have mentioned that in my last post. People sometimes visit every pub on the Circle line in a day; I'm sure you'll be able to manage every station... Here's hoping, since I don't think the GF would let me get away with the former
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 11, 2013 19:56:53 GMT
Better to use Oyster. Paper ODTC may be rejected for re-entry for a while judging from past experience.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 20:51:54 GMT
Ah right, see my other half doesn't have an Oyster, was going to go paper. So that doesn't bode well for her
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Post by snoggle on Mar 11, 2013 23:30:44 GMT
Ah right, see my other half doesn't have an Oyster, was going to go paper. So that doesn't bode well for her All you need to bear in mind with a paper ticket is to avoid getting it bent as that will cause the mag stripe not to work. If you get hold of a ticket wallet from a tube ticket office and just put the paper ticket in that it will do a reasonable job of protecting it - assuming she doesn't put in her back pocket and sit on it If you put another credit card sized bit of card or even an old plastic card in the wallet as well it will help stop the wallet getting bent.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 12, 2013 0:23:25 GMT
If you are in London for a few days then it's probably worth her getting an Oyster card. Any unused credit can be reclaimed at a ticket office I believe and anyway doesn't expire for several years (5? 7?).
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Post by Chris M on Mar 12, 2013 0:47:51 GMT
I photographed the outsides of about 15 stations on the Central line one day using an Oyster card and the cap worked exactly as expected. My Overground Circle trip worked as expected on PAYG as well, but on other occasions it hasn't worked. For example I made the following journeys: 1. Debden - Stratford - Canary Wharf DLR 2. Canary Wharf DLR - Bank (exit at Monument) 3. Bank - Angel However the time I spent outside the system between the journey was less than the OSI time so they were registered as 1. Debden - incomplete 2. incomplete - Angel Similarly I did Debden - Paddington H&C, saw a friend off on her mainline train, then Paddington Praed Street - Bayswater. The time spent at Paddington was within the OSI limit (just) but the total journey time Debden - Bayswater exceeed that allowed for Z6 to Z1, so it was counted as two incomplete journeys. This was automatically detected after the fact though and my PAYG credit corrected without requiring my intervention. These were both a few years ago though, and my recent experience is much better. I think I've only had about 3-4 problems in the past couple of years despite all the travelling and odd journeys I do. One of those was due to an error by a DLR PSA, and another was due to all the gates and standalone readers at Woolwich Arsenal NR being set to exit only (with no notice and for no apparent reason as the station was open as usual). One of the others might have been my fault as I'm not certain whether I touched correctly or not. It seems therefore that Oyster is getting better at dealing with enthusiasts' usage - presumably the years of journey data they now have has helped somewhat with this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 10:00:20 GMT
Not sure about how long it lasts but I've still got £7 on my Oyster from 3 years ago, so that's one of the things I like about them (and why I'm looking forward to getting the Walrus card up here in Merseyside). Would you say it's cheaper to go PAYG or get a 7D Travelcard on my card for just 5 days in the capital (including my little fun day on the underground) and would OSI times effect us if we ride from one station and walk to the next, alternating for most of the route and touching in and out?
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Post by Chris M on Mar 12, 2013 10:47:49 GMT
Whether a travelcard or PAYG is cheaper will depend on how many journeys you make and where and what time you are making them. Don't forget you can combine the two - don't get a 7 day Z1-6 travelcard if you're only going beyond Z2 once for example.
As long as you touch in and out correctly, you are unlikely to have any issues with journeys such as you are doing, as even if it does combine a couple of journeys you thought were separate they wont be long enough to come close to maximum journey times (which is what cause the problems I noted above). Altnernating would be a pretty silly method of doing the Circle Line as you'll end up walking some significant stretches and riding some very short ones. On my Overground journey the only stretches I walked were Hampstead Heath to Gospel Oak and Rotherhithe-Canada Water-Surrey Quays, and it all worked fine.
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Post by stevo on Mar 12, 2013 11:06:39 GMT
I find the OSI between Euston and King's Cross a little odd. Although King's Cross and Euston are both Zone 1 stations, I pay less if I walk between the two stations than if I go one stop on the Vic
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Post by Chris M on Mar 12, 2013 12:06:02 GMT
That could be deliberate to avoid encouraging more passengers on to the Vic on that stretch - it's hardly the quietest section of LU's network!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 21:51:36 GMT
Thanks for that heads up Chris. Looking at maps and what not, the western section seems to be the part where alternating would be a bad idea
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