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Post by programmes1 on Mar 2, 2013 15:52:35 GMT
Can anyone confirm that they have now commissioned 2 king levers to replace the auto switches?
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Post by Tom on Mar 2, 2013 16:38:45 GMT
'They', or more accurately 'I', have. I can't remember if it was November 2011 or February 2012 though I'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 18:41:56 GMT
More details on these levers and how they are used would be appreciated by this signalling novice. Including why the auto switches were replaced. Thanks!
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Post by revupminster on Mar 3, 2013 7:34:04 GMT
www.flickr.com/photos/42537798@N02/6122070916/in/photostream/ This is on flkr. I trained at Whitechapel cabin 40 years ago and cannot remember if it had King levers. There is no reason it could not have.I cannot see any on this recent photo. As a boy i went into the east London signal cabin on the southbound platform. It only had about six levers.
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Post by DWS on Mar 3, 2013 9:09:15 GMT
www.flickr.com/photos/42537798@N02/6122070916/in/photostream/ This is on flkr. I trained at Whitechapel cabin 40 years ago and cannot remember if it had King levers. There is no reason it could not have.I cannot see any on this recent photo. As a boy i went into the east London signal cabin on the southbound platform. It only had about six levers. Whitechapel Cabin did not have king levers 40 years ago. They were only installed when the new signals and trackwork and flat bottom rails and point work was done for the Crossrail new works started.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 10:01:50 GMT
'They', or more accurately 'I', have. I can't remember if it was November 2011 or February 2012 though I'm afraid. According to Traffic Circular 7/12 it was from 20/2/12.
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Post by programmes1 on Mar 3, 2013 10:11:45 GMT
Thanks for the response's.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 12:07:50 GMT
King Levers will by pass the SR's (Stick Relays) which require the signal lever to be re-stroked on a manually operated signal frame. Once the signaller has set the require routes in this case all the straight routes they then pull over the king lever then just leave it. Once the king lever is over the signals will just clear automatically and make the site a automatic area requiring no input from the signaller at all.
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Post by JR 15secs on Mar 3, 2013 14:42:59 GMT
Lever 8 WB & Lever 35 EB
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Post by Tom on Mar 4, 2013 14:29:13 GMT
More details on these levers and how they are used would be appreciated by this signalling novice. Including why the auto switches were replaced. Thanks! For a while, Whitechapel operated as if it was an area of Automatic signalling as there were no points in place. The only thing that the signaller could do was maintain trains to time. The auto working switches were a similar to a King lever as they ensured that the Stick Relays remained energised after each train had passed, so the signaller didn't have to restroke. When the points were reintroduced, there was a change to the mechanical locking arrangements to introduce the two king levers, which in addition to maintaining the stick relays up, also mechanically lock the signal levers needed for through running in the reverse position, which guarantees that the point levers are mechanically locked normal. With these safeguards in place an Illuminated 'A' can be lit at each signal, allowing Train Operators to treat the signal as an Automatic one when it remains at danger. In theory, this could effectively lead to the cabin being closed at certain times, though this hasn't been the case so far.
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 4, 2013 19:35:16 GMT
In theory, this could effectively lead to the cabin being closed at certain times, though this hasn't been the case so far. Isn't the area controlled by Whitechapel quite small? It strikes me that monitoring the passage of trains of such a small section of line isn't the most stimulating of jobs. What would be reasons for continuing to man the cabin when there is no booked use of the points?
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Post by revupminster on Mar 4, 2013 20:13:02 GMT
As Whitechapel and Aldgate East are only emergency crossovers they should not need a signalman. Are the Sunday reversers still there? Maybe the supervisors are qualified. In my day the Whitechapel Station Inspector was qualified to work the cabin as I was as a Relief Booking Clerk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 22:05:27 GMT
Aldgate East is controlled from the Baker St SCC. Whitechapel is still the preferred reversing point if any problems out east as there has been issues in the past regarding West Ham and Bromley By Bow (more recently. Until they centralise the control of the signalling areas I can see Whitechapel cabin staying open until then
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