New Met Line Timetable

The very same group of people who Deceived every one of the Passengers up this end of the woods. Giving us a straight through ( To London) service . Citing that it would be a " Faster Direct no need to Change service into London ". Knowing full well they were going to change the Service to All Stations and it would take Longer to get there Off peak.

As for Peak Services , N/B Peak services also stop at Wembley Park now. Not a problem really, but these Trains are often over crowded. Its not always possible to get on one of these very rare Fast Trains at Baker Street.

Don't get me started on getting charged a Peak Fair for an Off Peak "All Station "service N/B from Baker St in the Morning. ;D

No single person can be identified although someone must have come up with the idea - group decision so no one can be held responsible. The campaign to get rid of the all stations service won't go away as the service is clearly so inappropriate for the needs of passengers north of Ricky. The interesting thing is that lots of metline users are unhappy with the all stations service, not just the Amersham branch.

LU need to concede a cock up and explain what they are going to do about it. It's getting to the point where ordinary passengers, not manageable campaign groups, have started calling for heads to roll.

Don't think AB is a manager in the sense of overseeing all functions to run the service; rather, she is part of a team who manage the various elements but she is expected to co-ordinate them.

My concern is that a member of customer-facing staff will end up getting attacked the way things are now. The poor basic service, the breakdowns and the utterly dire communications (good service on all lines...) seem driven by inflexible policy and dogma of people too far away from the customer. Of course it's the poor station and train staff who end up catching the flack.

I hear there was an incident at Harrow last week which turned very nasty. Abusive behaviour towards staff is completely unacceptable but it seems Met line management are oblivious to the fact that their policies and practices are provoking it.

Can anyone see whether there would be any wider impact of swapping the off peak Amersham and Chesham departures from Chalfont?

It looks as if it would be a self-contained change and it would allow Chesham passengers to/from London to use Chiltern to/from Chalfont, knocking about 15 mins off the journey.

I didn't want to throw AB's name into the ring, as the most crucial mistake to make nowadays is confusing who is in charge with who is responsible. It seems the upper eschlons of TfL like most other companies nowadays consider responsibility to be a secret.

I'm wondering who was the person who actually had the idea and what their reasons were for it? Honnestly I detest action without reason, and if no-one can justify something passionately with good reason you've got to ask why are they not, then, conceeding it might be less than a perfect solution...

Regarding whose idea it was, probably worth looking at LU's Transport Planning team... I suspect elements of personal pride and a rigid mindset about LU being a metro operation are behind the lack of willingness to concede the timetable is unsuitable for the north end of the Met.

Added to that is the democratic deficit issue; zones 7-9 are outside the GLA area, so LU seem to be playing to the tune of voters within the GLA area. There is a strong campaign building along the north end of the line (Ricky and beyond) to get the Secretary of State for Transport to review the accountability arrangements for zones 7-9, especially as TfL's Overground plans stretch beyond the GLA. Some sort of joint management arrangement with Chiltern perhaps?

Whoever is behind the new timetable can look forward to forever being associated with having seeded the campaign to toughen up LU and TfL's accountability arrangements for these services.

First posting on here and sadly something of a moan!

I too am not overly enthused by this new timetable. Firstly, the absolute contempt shown to its passengers who like most commuters have little in the way of options to get to work is sadly typical of today's out of touch management. If we're talking options for the Rickmansworth-Amersham section then the Chiltern is a contender. However, chances are you will end up miles away at the North End of Marylebone station, of which itself not exactly well placed or well represented by the tube. And unless there's going to be a significant improvement in the frequency or lengthening of the Chiltern services, you will probably stand for most of your journey in any case. I live in Harrow on the Hill and travel in both directions, and have noticed recently that Chiltern services are becoming pretty overcrowded if they weren't already before.

Plus, and I could be wrong, I just sense that the Underground has not really had any enthusiasm for the fast services for the last 10 years or so. On countless occasions I've boarded a 'fast' train to London from Harrow, only to crawl along and at Wembley be signalled behind the very train it waited a few minutes to connect with at Harrow. The punters would have been better staying on their slow train! Very frustrating to see empty after empty roaring along down the fast lines unhindered after 9am or so mind.

Its clear that the powers that be simply want a conventional 2 track all stations type railway just like most other lines, but the point is the Metropolitan line is/was the jewel in the crown of the London Underground and surely should be making use of its impressive infrastructure rather than doing its best to avoid it?

The important word here is 'former'! Speaks volumes to me.

Yes I've noticed the Chiltern is very busy now. For example, the last week or so I have had to go into London and as I hate the Met line service and trains I use the Chiltern. The 11.19 train as been packed both times and this is with a 3 car train!

The Met is certainly not the jewel in the crown anymore.....

I actually think Chiltern has lengthened their trains, certainly compared with 2 yrs ago. The strange thing is yes, there should be longer platforms and this is up to LUL (Harrow-Amersham) but why are all the Thames Turbos going elsewhere? Surely they should go to Chiltern?

Oh my goodness! I can imagine that bouncing around. I remember taking a journey to York once, made the A stock feel smooth! ;D

Had Crossrail gone to Aylesbury that would have happened.

Sorry but this does not stack up.

Chiltern are currently providing the fast trains and LUL a stopping service which is well used. This is far better than a number of other routes to/from London.

New diesel trains will not be sanctioned by the DfT and there are no engines that meet emissions standards for the near future.

LUL have taken delivery of more trains than required for the current service. More and faster services will happen.

New signalling is being installed which will allow more trains and there should be less signal failures.

Not all passengers travel into/from Central London. There will be Met services for years to come.

A lot of London money is improving your service but this cannot be done overnight.

Hmm ... Crusty54 I understand what your saying. To be fair i don't see the Evidence of that on the MET as a Chesham punter. Picking up a handful of the Passengers on the Slow track,is not a Positive when it puts another 12 mins on my Journey. IMO. I think omhslaw sums it up Beautifully.

You are correct here. However, they've certainly embraced loco hauled and have plans to increase it further with newer more fuel efficient and faster accelerating 'Eurolight' locos.

Don't suppose theres much chances of seeing these on the London-Aylesbury via Harrow mind