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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 23:57:16 GMT
A planning application was submitted to Hackney Council by TfL Rail about a month ago. Drawings / mock-ups are viewable here: idox.hackney.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFile.do?action=show&appType=Planning&appNumber=2012/3099Shame they can't connect to Hackney Central eastbound as well. Anyone who wants to change from Downs platforms 2-4 to get to Stratford will have to go downstairs first, then up (to Downs platform 1), onto the link, down (to Central westbound), up (to the Central crossbridge), then down again! They may just stick to street level instead On the plus side, it does give step-free access to Hackney Downs platform 1... kind of.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 1, 2012 9:19:08 GMT
A planning application was submitted to Hackney Council by TfL Rail about a month ago. Drawings / mock-ups are viewable here: idox.hackney.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFile.do?action=show&appType=Planning&appNumber=2012/3099Shame they can't connect to Hackney Central eastbound as well. Anyone who wants to change from Downs platforms 2-4 to get to Stratford will have to go downstairs first, then up (to Downs platform 1), onto the link, down (to Central westbound), up (to the Central crossbridge), then down again! They may just stick to street level instead On the plus side, it does give step-free access to Hackney Downs platform 1... kind of. Well spotted. While it is nice to see some progress on this long standing proposal - Network Rail were supposed to do this years ago - the scheme leaves a lot to be desired. The lack of sensible access to all of the relevant platforms is a major problem. I thought an interchange used to exist between these stations many years ago and had assumed there was some structure within Hackney Downs that would give stair access to all platforms. I must be wrong or else it must be in dreadful condition which is why this cheaper option has been adopted. However if you wanted to change from the w/b NLL to a n/b Enfield Line train you face a hell of a long walk and three staircases. I suspect TfL is trying to avoid touching Hackney Downs in terms of step free access as this will not come cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 9:04:06 GMT
Seems a missed opportunity not to connect the high level walkway to all three platforms at Downs. Is there a good reason for this, except for saving a few quid?
In any case, as an interchange station, Downs could benefit from a better link between platforms.
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Post by Ben on Dec 3, 2012 14:04:02 GMT
If this is temporary (say 10-15 years) then yeah, good. One suspects though it isn't. If Centrals platforms were extended west towards the flyover, and Downs 1 and 4 were extended south over Spurstowe Road bridge, you could just have an 'L' shaped high level walkway with a lift to each platform, no staires. Would save space, Central's platform will need extending at some point anyway.
Even a very high level straight line spanning both railways at the diagonal would offer more options...
Just seems a bit of a pigs ear...
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Post by ashlar on Aug 12, 2014 10:09:02 GMT
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Post by ashlar on Aug 12, 2014 10:18:19 GMT
One thing which both this link and the Walthamstow link have in common is that TfL / local councils have been lousy at communicating their plans to the public. A stark contrast to LU, who publicise every tiny infrastructure change with press releases, posters and announcements.
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Post by Dom K on Aug 12, 2014 13:27:11 GMT
AFAIK Hackney Downs will still be run by Abellio GA rather than tfl, I'm happy to be corrected on that one. I'm sure it's to the advantage of both parties to have this link, but siecifically for the approaching tfl takeover
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Post by peterc on Aug 12, 2014 13:47:19 GMT
There was some work on what appeared to be the line of the link and then everthing seemed to stop again. Of course it might just have been some unrelated trimmining of adjacent trees and undergrowth.
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Post by ashlar on Aug 12, 2014 13:52:15 GMT
Dom K: You are thinking of Tottenham Hale. Hackney Downs is definitely transferring to LOROL / TfL/.
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 12, 2014 14:21:51 GMT
One thing which both this link and the Walthamstow link have in common is that TfL / local councils have been lousy at communicating their plans to the public. A stark contrast to LU, who publicise every tiny infrastructure change with press releases, posters and announcements. True, but LUL are private, the councils are public, and which do you think has that much more money to publicise beyond publishing statutory notices in the local rag? The other side of the coin, if they did, would no doubt be a diatribe from certain organisations about wasting ratepayer's money over trivia. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I think.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 12, 2014 14:51:25 GMT
LUL are private, the councils are public, The London Underground has been in the public sector since 1933.
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 12, 2014 14:59:49 GMT
Well, according to Wikipedia:
TfL is part of the Greater London Authority and is constituted as a statutory corporation regulated under local government finance rules.[63] It has three subsidiaries: London Transport Insurance (Guernsey) Ltd, TfL Trustee Company Ltd and Transport Trading Ltd (TTL), and London Underground Limited is a subsidiary of TTL.[63
So we are both right.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 12, 2014 15:42:24 GMT
LU is a (wholly-owned) subsidiary of TTL which is a (wholly-owned) subsidiary of TfL which is a (wholly-owned) part of the GLA. Where does the private sector come into that?
Limited companies can be owned by the state or local authorities, as well as by private individuals. e.g East Coast Main Line Company Limited Post Office Ltd (n.b although the distribution network (Royal Mail) has been privatised, the retail arm (Post Office) has not)
(Just to confuse the issue, a "public limited company" is private sector: it is "public" in the sense that shares are traded on the open market: consequently, as the state owns all the shares and no-one else can buy them, a state-owned Ltd Co is not a plc).
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Post by ashlar on Aug 12, 2014 21:41:59 GMT
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 12, 2014 22:12:57 GMT
Sorry, my fault!!
The local paper link is interesting. First:
TfL say footpath will cut across Malpas Close and Poulton Close, reducing the route between the two stations from 600 metres to 200. This would not impact the travelling time, which is currently about five minutes.
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Transport for London’s director of London Overground, Mike Stubbs, said: “The new covered walkway between Hackney Downs and Hackney Central stations is part of TfL’s wider objective to make all of its rail stations more accessible, more secure and easier to use. The Hackney Interchange will reduce journey times by making it much quicker and easier for passengers wanting to change between West Anglia services and the London Overground network and so give them new options on how they complete their journeys. Interchanging at Hackney will also reduce congestion at Liverpool Street station, which is currently where many passengers travel before changing to other services.”
My underlines in both cases. Which do you think is right? Could it be a factor in why work hasn't started yet?
I'd say if that was written in February & we are now in August, then a summer start looks a bit unlikely now. But we also don't know the source of the journalist's time-line for that.
Just a thought, wonder if they will be monitoring use of Walthamstow's link before proceeding with Hackney's? No reason it should turn out to be under-used, but do they need to be sure before they commit to the expenditure?
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Post by crusty54 on Aug 13, 2014 6:32:38 GMT
The new bridge went out to tender in February. Not sure who won it.
Substantial structure and fairly complex.
Will take quite some time to install.
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Post by londonstuff on Aug 13, 2014 8:51:10 GMT
Mod comment Just for the sake of having everything in one place I've moved this thread into the original one from 2012 as it's got links in it still relevant and unlocked the thread.
Thanks for pointing it out, Ashlar.
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Post by ashlar on Aug 30, 2014 10:40:43 GMT
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Post by stapler on Sept 20, 2014 15:07:58 GMT
So far as I know, when the NLR/GER link existed before, it was on the south side of the NLR, and the exchange booking office was alongside the easternmost side of the GER fast lines. Hackney Downs station was equipped with a lattice footbridge serving all three pfms at the London end to serve it. The bridge (very good for trainspotters)disappeared c1959 but the shell of the XBO was still there in the 70s. Reinvention of wheels comes to mind. I hope the OSI between Central and Downs will be kept when the new link (which will be less serviceable than the old) comes into being...
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Post by ashlar on May 15, 2015 12:41:10 GMT
The link between Central and Down is now almost finished. The main bridge structures are in place and the only major remaining works seem to be knitting the new structure to the old platforms and installing the lift.
It's a huge structure! According to TfL it is planned to open next month.
Edit: Thank you mods for reopening this thread!
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Post by ashlar on May 17, 2015 14:39:22 GMT
Are there any plans for lifts in Hackney Downs station itself? It seems bizarre that now platform 4 will have lift access from Hackney Central but no lift access to other platforms!
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Post by jukes on May 17, 2015 15:54:08 GMT
Its actually Platform 1 at Hackney Downs where the connection will be made, or should I say restored - as its just putting back in a very limited form what existed up to 1944! And, no there are no current plans to install any lifts there, so if your disabled and use the new lift to reach HD, then the only place you can go is Liverpool Street!!!
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Post by ashlar on May 17, 2015 18:01:03 GMT
Good point jukes!
Well let's hope that once this becomes a London Overground interchange hub it rises to the top of the "to be made accessible" list. If they can build lifts in interchanges in obscure places like Gospel Oak there must be a strong argument for Hackney!
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Post by ashlar on Jun 26, 2015 21:58:55 GMT
This looks like it is getting near to completion now. Has anyone heard a planned opening date?
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Post by Chris M on Jun 26, 2015 22:15:22 GMT
This afternoon the sign at the entrance to Hackney Central station on Amhurst Road points to "Hackney Central" and "Hackney Downs via link bridge", with no black tape or anything. However platform signage said more more than "Summer 2015" or "soon".
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Post by jukes on Jun 26, 2015 22:30:48 GMT
The opening date was stated as 'by 1 July 2015' and having walked the link bridge on inspection this afternoon I would think it could open well within the next 48 hours! However, its also possible that BoJo might want another photo op so it might be delayed to 1 July. Now that he's an MP getting his diary to tie up is a nightmare!
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Post by stapler on Jun 27, 2015 15:05:26 GMT
<<So far as I know, when the NLR/GER link existed before, it was on the south side of the NLR, and the exchange booking office was alongside the easternmost side of the GER fast lines. Hackney Downs station was equipped with a lattice footbridge serving all three pfms at the London end to serve it. The bridge (very good for trainspotters)disappeared c1959 but the shell of the XBO was still there in the 70s. Reinvention of wheels comes to mind.>>
Have discovered a large-scale map of c 1894 (just after the GE quadrupling) which shows staircases down to the NL from the two outer and island platforms at Downs, and footpaths to the up (eastbound!) and down platforms at Hackney NL. Anyone know when that was ended and the footbridge installed instead?
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Post by ashlar on Jun 28, 2015 8:44:07 GMT
They aren't always the best informed, but LO's Twitter feed think the link won't open for the best part of a month:
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Post by Dom K on Jun 28, 2015 9:49:11 GMT
They aren't always the best informed, but LO's Twitter feed think the link won't open for the best part of a month: That was me asking the question whilst also noticing the typo
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Post by ashlar on Jul 5, 2015 10:28:35 GMT
I asked some members of staff on Hackney Downs when this will open. They didn't know...
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