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Post by phillw48 on Oct 30, 2012 18:45:30 GMT
As I understand it no fewer than 7 NY Subway lines are flooded due to hurricane Sandy. We are lucky that we have defences like the Thames Barrier.
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 30, 2012 19:07:54 GMT
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Post by trt on Oct 30, 2012 19:08:33 GMT
It's going to take a while to get things running again, that's for sure. That lift shaft flood footage was scary.
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Post by bruce on Oct 30, 2012 20:00:17 GMT
Somehow I don't think that London is as well prepared for a storm of this magnitude.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 20:52:02 GMT
Somehow I don't think that London is as well prepared for a storm of this magnitude. Fortunately, a storm of this magnitude is extremely unlikely in London which is why it doesn't need to be prepared for such an eventuality. Nuclear war maybe, but after that I'd say complaints about having to wait over 5 minutes for the Central Line might get told to poke it! |
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Post by bruce on Oct 30, 2012 21:50:24 GMT
I think it was 20 years ago that we were told by a certain Mr Fish that we would not be hit with a hurricane and next morning we were.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 22:23:57 GMT
A storm surge - which has caused the majority of "chaos" is certainly possible in London. It was only back in 1953 that over 2,000 people died due to a storm surge.
Of course London has the Thames Barrier which reduces the chance of a massive flood to 0.1% event, or a "once in thousand year event" - just like the Japanese tsunami.
Who can forget the storms of 1987 & 1990 (both described as once in a large number of year events). Imagine one of these storms, coupled with an unusually high tide will create a squeaky bottom time for the Thames Barrier....
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 30, 2012 23:24:41 GMT
Fortunately since 1953 flood defences have been put in place not only in the UK but all around the North Sea. In the USA there are very few flood defences of the nature of the ones in Europe but the governor of New Jersey has already announced that he intends to have such barriers constructed. Fortunately the death toll at the moment is still less than 1% of the 1953 toll despite the larger area affected by the storm and the larger population in those areas (about 50 million has been quoted). This is down to the greatly improved weather prediction in the last 60 years.
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 31, 2012 11:09:51 GMT
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Post by class411 on Oct 31, 2012 11:49:48 GMT
Somehow I don't think that London is as well prepared for a storm of this magnitude. I think we are probably better prepared - although, of course, that does not mean we would survive such an event without problems. What the US has done is make the best of a bad job and handle a somewhat unexpected event in a pretty creditable manner. I think it was 20 years ago that we were told by a certain Mr Fish that we would not be hit with a hurricane and next morning we were. No we weren't. By definition, we don't get hurricanes here. |
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Post by castlebar on Oct 31, 2012 12:01:11 GMT
I have it on good authority, that the Thames Barrier is now deemed to be insufficient for the latest global warming predictions. IF they were starting today, it would be longer and higher.
But they cannot re-write the script, so it is cheaper to let it become next generation's problem, rather like closing the railways in the 60s and building on the tracks, and building motorways (the London end of the M1), with just TWO lanes.
This is just another example of planners in this country failing to plan.
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Post by Antje on Oct 31, 2012 13:14:16 GMT
I have written to TfL about this, hoping for them to express their support and thoughts with the MTA. The subway and the underground have things in common and both of them are very old systems, but to see the subway get flooded is kinda tragic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 17:14:03 GMT
Who can forget the storms of 1987 & 1990 (both described as once in a large number of year events). Imagine one of these storms, coupled with an unusually high tide will create a squeaky bottom time for the Thames Barrier.... I know it was on a much lower scale, but didn't the storms of mid 2002 cause some flooding and totally screw up the SSR. I believe there was an entry for it in Dave's driver diary. Again on a smaller scale but I was amazed at how the 2 million litres or so of water pumped out of the Central line tunnels at Mile End around the diamond jubilee before the start of traffic the next morning. It looks as if the MTA really have their work cut out here, very best of luck to them. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 31, 2012 17:54:01 GMT
Looks horrible...
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Post by rsdworker on Oct 31, 2012 20:14:54 GMT
looks horrible but R platforms looks okay but its needs rebuilding in Line 1 station to restore all back BUT subway system is reopening tmw - only limited service as posted on MTA com
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