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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 13:57:36 GMT
Over the past few weeks I've noticed quite a few notices around the underground informing where and when bicycles can be taken.
Has there been an increasing spate of incidents that has made this necessary?
Instinctively I would have thought with the Boris bikes there is less of a need to lug a bike around the tube.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 14:58:23 GMT
There's a bloke who regularly catches the last Epping train at Mile End on a car towards the back, gets off at Snaresbrook and cycles up the platform. I don't know if he transfers from the District/H&C or if he comes through the gateline but until he reaches Leyton he's techincally breaking the by-laws. I've seen people get off my train with bikes at Oxford Circus and Bond Street before.
The problem is that a lot of station staff don't know the rules. Back in the day when I was working ticket barriers I'd ask anyone who walked up with a bike where they were going and I once had a filthy row with a passenger at Paddington who wanted to take his bike on the Circle Line at 5pm.
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Post by charleyfarley on Oct 6, 2012 16:35:37 GMT
If it was my decision to make, I would ban ALL bicycles on ALL London Underground and London Overground services unless folded.
Are you taking a train or riding a bicycle? Unless you are leaving your bicycle in a cycle rack at your starting station, there is no logical reason to mix the two modes of transport.
This is London - not some rural outpost with infrequent public transport. London is a busy place where a train can suddenly fill up with passengers. There is no room for bicycles on our local train services
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 16:37:31 GMT
There's a bloke who regularly catches the last Epping train at Mile End on a car towards the back, gets off at Snaresbrook and cycles up the platform. I don't know if he transfers from the District/H&C or if he comes through the gateline but until he reaches Leyton he's techincally breaking the by-laws. I've seen people get off my train with bikes at Oxford Circus and Bond Street before. The problem is that a lot of station staff don't know the rules. Back in the day when I was working ticket barriers I'd ask anyone who walked up with a bike where they were going and I once had a filthy row with a passenger at Paddington who wanted to take his bike on the Circle Line at 5pm. I was once at White City, with the train heading eastbound, and a person decided to get on with a bike. The TOP saw this and refused to let the train proceed until the person got off (which he did.) I'd imagine he would have just tried his luck with the next train though  Was the TOP going beyond the call of duty there, or is this written in some rulebook? |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 6, 2012 17:02:58 GMT
There's a bloke who regularly catches the last Epping train at Mile End on a car towards the back, gets off at Snaresbrook and cycles up the platform. I don't know if he transfers from the District/H&C or if he comes through the gateline but until he reaches Leyton he's techincally breaking the by-laws. I've seen people get off my train with bikes at Oxford Circus and Bond Street before. The problem is that a lot of station staff don't know the rules. Back in the day when I was working ticket barriers I'd ask anyone who walked up with a bike where they were going and I once had a filthy row with a passenger at Paddington who wanted to take his bike on the Circle Line at 5pm. I was once at White City, with the train heading eastbound, and a person decided to get on with a bike. The TOP saw this and refused to let the train proceed until the person got off (which he did.) I'd imagine he would have just tried his luck with the next train though Was the TOP going beyond the call of duty there, or is this written in some rulebook? . Bicycles aren't allowed in tubes, which IIRC had something to do with evacuation difficulties. |
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Post by bassmike on Oct 6, 2012 18:42:50 GMT
Is that the outer tubes or inner tubes?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 19:12:10 GMT
Is that the outer tubes or inner tubes? hahaha |
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Post by bassmike on Oct 6, 2012 19:21:05 GMT
bikes on the underground----------?
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Post by revupminster on Oct 6, 2012 20:48:09 GMT
Best thing about bikes on the underground was when they scrapped bicycle fares (late 70's I think) they had to scrap dog fares.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 22:47:01 GMT
I was once at White City, with the train heading eastbound, and a person decided to get on with a bike. The TOP saw this and refused to let the train proceed until the person got off (which he did.) I'd imagine he would have just tried his luck with the next train though Was the TOP going beyond the call of duty there, or is this written in some rulebook? . Bicycles aren't allowed in tubes, which IIRC had something to do with evacuation difficulties. I'm aware of that, yeah. The question was more: are TOPs required to stall the train if they spot someone getting on with a bike at stations before tunnels? (as the driver did in this case) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 23:45:02 GMT
I'm aware of that, yeah. The question was more: are TOPs required to stall the train if they spot someone getting on with a bike at stations before tunnels? (as the driver did in this case) In a word: Yes. For the evacuation problems mentioned above, and also that tube stock is smaller and tunnel sections tend to be busier (many bits of tunnel being in Central London of course) bikes are not a desirable idea. The rules state this so a Train Op refusing to move a train is complying with said rules. An even worse case is someone trying to take a motorcycle or moped on (which does happen) - this is a real no no as the tank could be full of petrol! Not a good thing to have on a train |
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Post by melikepie on Oct 7, 2012 0:47:25 GMT
Cycleprus
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 19:09:54 GMT
I never get this. Every day I see people get on trains with bikes and go a few stops. What is the point of pushing a bike about, you either ride the thing and get healthy or take the train.
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Post by class411 on Oct 13, 2012 11:31:27 GMT
I never get this. Every day I see people get on trains with bikes and go a few stops. What is the point of pushing a bike about, you either ride the thing and get healthy or take the train. It's probably because of the particular traffic they are trying to avoid. There's a big difference between riding along a road and crossing a couple of junctions and having to deal with some of the massive roundabouts and multiway junctions you get in London. Of course it could just be that they're too bone idle to walk to and from the stations. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 13:33:34 GMT
I work at Victoria and we regularly get idiots who want to take their bikes on the Vic at peak hours (what type of plonkers are they ?) and the District/Circle as well, we have even had to call BTP to remove them. If you are turning them away at the barrier it really does help to have something written that you can show them, always assuming they can read of course.
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Post by su31 on Oct 13, 2012 14:04:53 GMT
The problem has escalated due to the increase of Wide Aisle Gates at stations. Staff would have been able to monitor that people passing through the manual gate but nowadays staff are made to monitor the whole ticket hall environment, therefore occasionally missing people with bikes.
On this topic, it's also worth noting that the rule also covers un-folded pushchairs/prams - but this hasn't been enforced for a very long time, but it is still in the conditions of carriage and Byelaws...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 14:43:27 GMT
I work at Victoria and we regularly get idiots who want to take their bikes on the Vic at peak hours (what type of plonkers are they ?) and the District/Circle as well, we have even had to call BTP to remove them. If you are turning them away at the barrier it really does help to have something written that you can show them, always assuming they can read of course. I often enter the ticket hall at Stanmore - without a bike - on Sundays and some idiot tells me I have to take a bus, even though I bought a tube ticket |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 16:54:08 GMT
I am sure that the people on the bikes will blame someone else for their arrogance and stupidity, just like they always do?  XF |
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Was the TOP going beyond the call of duty there, or is this written in some rulebook?
