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Post by Alight on Feb 18, 2008 11:48:34 GMT
Indeed as my long subject suggests, this is regarding a memory I had a while back.
I think it must of been late 90s - 2000, I remember clearly there being no ticket barriers at stations such as Oakwood and Southgate. It was just like those National Rail stations such as Palmers Green (or the Docklands Light Railway even); those stations which allow you to board the trains with out a form of access control - the only risk being ticket inspectors or barriers with in the central London. So basically you would just enter the station and jump on a train but still purchase the tickets in order to alight at central London stations.
Was this just a figment of my imagination? And if not, when were the barriers installed?
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 18, 2008 13:28:17 GMT
Indeed as my long subject suggests, this is regarding a memory I had a while back. I think it must of been late 90s - 2000, I remember clearly there being no ticket barriers at stations such as Oakwood and Southgate. It was just like those National Rail stations such as Palmers Green (or the Docklands Light Railway even); those stations which allow you to board the trains with out a form of access control - the only risk being ticket inspectors or barriers with in the central London. So basically you would just enter the station and jump on a train but still purchase the tickets in order to alight at central London stations. Was this just a figment of my imagination? And if not, when were the barriers installed? Yes it is really a figment of your imagination! There was either a passimeter or ticket barrier comprising one or more TCBs (ticket collector's boxes) at the entrance and exit to platforms or escalators and usually inside lifts. I'm sure Southgate had a passimiter although the last time I bought a ticket there was when I was a Post Office apprentice studying at Southgate Technical College in the early 1970s so I could be wrong. Of course it is true to say that during the day and in the evening the barriers might be unmanned although the passimeters were usually manned by booking clerks from early in the morning until quite late at night depending on the passenger traffic. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2008 15:31:03 GMT
Whilst I can't comment on when the gates were put in, the passimeter is still there - although it's used instead of a GLAP (there isn't one at Southgate), which makes it one of the more comfortable stations on our group to work at!
Edited to add: a glance at the wikipedia article about Southgate suggests that the ticket office was put in during the late 1990's; presumably gates were installed after this point and the passimeter would have ceased to be used as such once the ticket office was brought into use.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2008 18:36:31 GMT
at tuffnel park there only used to be one gate and you could walk past it if I reccolect
before tube lines changed the layout
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Post by Alight on Feb 18, 2008 19:28:07 GMT
Okay thanks for getting back to me. Maybe it was Oakwood/Arnos I was thinking of?
I'm not too good with Passimeters, but were they used for selling or checking tickets? Now as mentioned above it is used as a GLAP although again I don't know what that means but I'm guessing somewhere where the supervisor sits like those little tight squeeze boxes I often see!
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Post by c5 on Feb 18, 2008 19:36:12 GMT
Okay thanks for getting back to me. Maybe it was Oakwood/Arnos I was thinking of? I'm not too good with Passimeters, but were they used for selling or checking tickets? Now as mentioned above it is used as a GLAP although again I don't know what that means but I'm guessing somewhere where the supervisor sits like those little tight squeeze boxes I often see! GLAP= Gate Line Assistants Post. The little glass boxes, quite often found near the gateline. |
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Post by Oracle on Feb 18, 2008 19:46:59 GMT
The one at Hounslow West was always empty and unused until the magic witching hours around 0700 or so Monday mornings when it sold weekly seasons exclusively. That supplemented the two usual ticket office windows, one of which, the far one, sold seasons. I wish I could remember how much a weekly was in 1973 when I first bought them but I think it was £2.40 to Holborn. Some years later an annual to Piccadilly Circus was over £300.
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Post by Tubeboy on Feb 18, 2008 21:02:46 GMT
at tuffnel park there only used to be one gate and you could walk past it if I reccolect before tube lines changed the layout Tufnell Park got its current set up of gates in Late 2003. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2008 21:52:47 GMT
I'm sure Southgate has had them for a fair few years now, as it was my local station on our frequent family weekends into London when I was younger... However, I also remember walking in one day and thinking something has been added/changed... Were they perchance perhaps relocated, or was it that more barriers were added?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2008 1:31:53 GMT
I'm sure Southgate has had them for a fair few years now, as it was my local station on our frequent family weekends into London when I was younger... However, I also remember walking in one day and thinking something has been added/changed... Were they perchance perhaps relocated, or was it that more barriers were added? ??? It's my understanding - *not* from personal experience, but from something I've read, though I'm not sure where I picked it up - that the gateline layout was indeed changed at one point after it was discovered that the then-current layout was regularly presenting a danger; presumably by causing blocking-back onto the escalators due to the placement/layout (or number?) of gates. |
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 19, 2008 6:08:27 GMT
Okay thanks for getting back to me. Maybe it was Oakwood/Arnos I was thinking of? I'm not too good with Passimeters, but were they used for selling or checking tickets? Now as mentioned above it is used as a GLAP although again I don't know what that means but I'm guessing somewhere where the supervisor sits like those little tight squeeze boxes I often see! GLAP= Gate Line Assistants Post. The little glass boxes, quite often found near the gateline. Funny how terminology changes over the years. When I was fitting the yodalarms to them almost 30 years ago they were called TCBs. I have to say that the old TCB was a nice comfy spot with its LT Heater and at night in the days of unmanned stations when we were locked in all night we would make a beeline for one in the ticket hall after finishing our work and while waiting for the first train. They must have been called GLAPs for at least 20 years. |
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 19, 2008 6:20:01 GMT
Whilst I can't comment on when the gates were put in, the passimeter is still there - although it's used instead of a GLAP (there isn't one at Southgate), which makes it one of the more comfortable stations on our group to work at! Edited to add: a glance at the wikipedia article about Southgate suggests that the ticket office was put in during the late 1990's; presumably gates were installed after this point and the passimeter would have ceased to be used as such once the ticket office was brought into use. Most stations had a gateline in the days before UTS, usually a chest high barrier with opening gates and TCBs/GLAPs. Of course in the central area there had been AFC introduced with the building of the Victoria Line so many sites had passimeters and a gateline beyond. Some stations had a passimeter and a booking office but most had one or the other. In the late 1980s during the UTS installation programme existing ticket offices were completely rebuilt or modernised to take the TOMs and POMs, associated equipment and improved comms and electrical facilities. The UTS programme rolled on into the 1990s as outer area stations were fitted with gates. |
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Post by trc666 on Feb 19, 2008 21:04:29 GMT
The Cockfosters end of the Picc had most of its gates installed in the late 90s except for Finsbury Park. I know Holloway Road, Caledonian Road and Arsenal were done around 1998.
IIRC Stockwell and Brixton were the first stations outside zone 1 to get barriers due to the high level of fare evasion there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2008 1:33:26 GMT
The subject actually came up at work today without me bringing it up (we were discussing how stupid it is only having the four gates at Arnos); apparently when they were first put in, there were only four gates and instead of the passimeter being part of the gateline, as it were, the gates were between the passimeter and the escalators, leaving very little space for customers between the escalator and gates and therefore causing a lot of blocking back onto the escalator to the point of being dangerous.
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Post by Alight on Feb 20, 2008 13:11:23 GMT
The Cockfosters end of the Picc had most of its gates installed in the late 90s except for Finsbury Park. I know Holloway Road, Caledonian Road and Arsenal were done around 1998. IIRC Stockwell and Brixton were the first stations outside zone 1 to get barriers due to the high level of fare evasion there. There we go then I wasn't seeing things! ;D Cheers |
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Post by Alight on Feb 20, 2008 13:12:52 GMT
The Clifford and Snell Yodalarms! I was wondering what why I always saw them at GLAPS/TCBS - what is their function?
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 20, 2008 16:10:36 GMT
The Clifford and Snell Yodalarms! I was wondering what why I always saw them at GLAPS/TCBS - what is their function? They are TCB Alarms so that staff being assaulted etc can get help fast. If you've ever heard one set off you'll understand what I mean. |
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