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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 8:21:26 GMT
The existence of a number of one-way staircases on the Underground is well known, but many seem to be well known simply for the way the are ignored.
When I know I'm in the right, I always stand my ground and glare at people coming the wrong way.
I actually had this happen at Tower Hill yesterday when there was a family even slower than me [1] taking up one side of such a staircase. Loads of people were trying to ascend the other side, despite it being a "down only" staircase.
I don't suppose there's a lot we can do about this, but at least I feel justified in glaring.
Another similar thing that really annoys me is people ignoring the "Keep left" and similar signs, where present. I can understand the confusion here though - on staircases and in walkways, it varies, whereas on escalators the lengths of the words makes it clear what to do. (I don't doubt there are plenty get that wrong without good reason too!)
[1] That's not saying much these days, but I was at platform level before they were quite half way down despite having arrived at the top just after them.
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Post by stuartpalmer on Jan 10, 2008 9:05:16 GMT
Hear hear!
This is a major annoyance to me too. The worst example I know is when trying to get to the Northern Line at Moorgate in the morning rush hour: one is regularly impeded by exiting passengers who can't, don't (or won't) read the signs. It actually gets quite dangerous as at times they block the bottom of the down escalator. There is definitely a need for "one way" systems to be enforced by station staff.
There are also many examples of stations which don't have a one-way system but which would clearly benefit from one - London Bridge is a prime example.
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Post by District Dave on Jan 10, 2008 9:21:55 GMT
I actually had this happen at Tower Hill yesterday when there was a family even slower than me [1] taking up one side of such a staircase. Loads of people were trying to ascend the other side, despite it being a "down only" staircase. I don't suppose there's a lot we can do about this, but at least I feel justified in glaring. One of the things with Tower Hill is that of course a lot of e/b passengers end up in the bay road and then have to lug a load of stuff over the stairs to continue east. We train to do a PA at Monument to tell them to change there, but of course a lot are not English speakers, and of course there's the usual mob who either just don't listen or have their Ipods welded in their ears.......... Changing ends at Tower Hill is usually to be bombarded with confused expressions and questions about how to get to (insert name of destination east of Tower Hill). At time one does wonder if it's worth the effort (though it is of course as we always see people leave the train at Monument after doing the PA - it just seems like you're wasting your breath on occasions )
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Post by suncloud on Jan 10, 2008 9:49:36 GMT
Sheepish look... I'm guilty of on occasion going 'alternative' ways round Oxford Circus, but usually at quieter times of the day. If I felt like I was going to be swimming against the tide I'd not risk the 'wrong way' move and use my other alternative route (which involves a lot of steps, but still is quicker than the official route when it's quiet).
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Post by cetacean on Jan 10, 2008 10:30:00 GMT
There's one of the central Piccadilly Line stations (either Holborn or Leicester Square) where there's always a massive queue for the stairs to your left (especially on a Saturday night) and an empty "No Entry" passageway right in front of you. It's too tempting not to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 10:40:08 GMT
One of the things with Tower Hill is that of course a lot of e/b passengers end up in the bay road and then have to lug a load of stuff over the stairs to continue east. We train to do a PA at Monument to tell them to change there, but of course a lot are not English speakers, and of course there's the usual mob who either just don't listen or have their Ipods welded in their ears.......... Changing ends at Tower Hill is usually to be bombarded with confused expressions and questions about how to get to (insert name of destination east of Tower Hill). At time one does wonder if it's worth the effort (though it is of course as we always see people leave the train at Monument after doing the PA - it just seems like you're wasting your breath on occasions ) Hmmmm... there was a train in the bay road, but I think it came in after I got to platform level. A through train was due to leave first though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 10:57:28 GMT
Slightly at a tangent: we were at Holloway Road recently, heading down to the platform, and since I'm supposed to be trying to lose weight, my partner insisted we take the stairs rather than one of the lifts. On the way up, we saw a woman.. struggling up a narrow spiral staircase... with a buggy. We're not sure if she was too dumb to notice the lifts (even though I think they're right opposite the stairs!) or simply a masochist.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 10, 2008 11:30:33 GMT
Suncloud et al - if you know the station well enough, you can probably do it fine at quiet times whilst the sheep go the long way.
Of course the middle of a rush hour is a different matter.
I agree how people get to the bottom of the escalators, then stand still and goggle at the signs, and likewise get to the top and fumble for their ticket. I would suggest some signage on the escalators saying "HAVE YOUR TICKET READY FOR INSPECTION" or "LEFT AT THE BOTTOM FOR THE CENTRAL LINE, RIGHT FOR THE PICCADILLY" would be useful, but people would still ignore them.
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Post by alstom1996 on Jan 10, 2008 11:31:55 GMT
Yeah these platform exits are signposted no exit for a reason, and then people wonder why they can't go up!
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Post by johnb on Jan 10, 2008 12:44:04 GMT
Suncloud et al - if you know the station well enough, you can probably do it fine at quiet times whilst the sheep go the long way. Of course the middle of a rush hour is a different matter. OTOH there are stations like Blackfriars W/B, where the only way to clear the place during the morning rush hour is by ignoring the one-way policy altogether (2 staircases, one each way; lots of people exiting, nobody entering). Luckily, that's what everybody does...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 19:28:08 GMT
I agree how people get to the bottom of the escalators, then stand still and goggle at the signs, and likewise get to the top and fumble for their ticket. I would suggest some signage on the escalators saying "HAVE YOUR TICKET READY FOR INSPECTION" or "LEFT AT THE BOTTOM FOR THE CENTRAL LINE, RIGHT FOR THE PICCADILLY" would be useful, but people would still ignore them. Even though I haven't seen that mentioned, it's another major annoyance. Never actually had a significant problem with it yet but would give one warning shout of "move forward" if it looked inevitable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 20:35:26 GMT
here's how they used to do it at Angel... from David's photos, it's great to see photos that are from a while ago, like Solidbond's site. SEE HERE
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Post by Colin on Jan 11, 2008 0:30:22 GMT
With regard to Tower Hill; there are no down only stairs!
The stairs which go between the main booking hall and the platforms, which I assume you are referring to, are used early morning and late evening to exit the station when the separate 'exit hall' is closed. They are also used by customers transferring platforms. From memory, they are signed 'no exit' when the separate 'exit hall' is open, and that's about the only restriction that exists.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2008 8:24:39 GMT
With regard to Tower Hill; there are no down only stairs! The stairs which go between the main booking hall and the platforms, which I assume you are referring to, are used early morning and late evening to exit the station when the separate 'exit hall' is closed. They are also used by customers transferring platforms. From memory, they are signed 'no exit' when the separate 'exit hall' is open, and that's about the only restriction that exists. If they are meant to be used by customers changing platforms, which I admit would make some sense, then I consider the illuminated "No exit" sign perhaps a bit confusing. Admittedly there is no exit from the station as a whole that way but there is no clear implication that they are for changing platforms. Besides, the bay road train came in after I got to platform level. EDIT: The iluminated sign actually says "No entry" - I take that to mean "do not enter this staircase except in an emergency". Of course, when the "exit hall" is closed, there is no restriction. If ever they seriously remodel at platform level, the bay road needs platforms both sides. It would mean moving a lot of things around, though.
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 11, 2008 11:33:49 GMT
Sheepish look... I'm guilty of on occasion going 'alternative' ways round Oxford Circus, but usually at quieter times of the day. If I felt like I was going to be swimming against the tide I'd not risk the 'wrong way' move and use my other alternative route (which involves a lot of steps, but still is quicker than the official route when it's quiet). I worked at OXO for a few weeks on the CCTV and related equipment at the end of the 80s and being resident on the station at the time it was habit to take the shortest route to everywhere though the station took some learning just as many of the larger sites did, Euston was another I spent a lot of time at although I was never based there. What I would say about passenger flows is that like many things they will find their own level. Often where passengers are deliberately ignoring signage it is because the flow has been illogically planned. Green Park was always a great example where changing from Vic to Picc was always best via the ticket hall rather than the 'direct route'! Some stations are just badly designed, Victoria was one such example but it may have been altered since I last used it a few years ago.
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 11, 2008 11:47:00 GMT
Slightly at a tangent: we were at Holloway Road recently, heading down to the platform, and since I'm supposed to be trying to lose weight, my partner insisted we take the stairs rather than one of the lifts. On the way up, we saw a woman.. struggling up a narrow spiral staircase... with a buggy. We're not sure if she was too dumb to notice the lifts (even though I think they're right opposite the stairs!) or simply a masochist. Yep buggies are bad news on spirals although Holloway Road is one of the Piccs shorter staircases, nearby Caledonian Road and Russell Square are another matter, York Road and Down Street are also heavy going when carrying anything at all and that's why many linemen and other engineering staff have strong upper bodies carrying a big bag of spanners in such places at night! Having said that escalators are just as taxing when switched off and such climbs are one of the things that I have missed since I retired, I bet I would struggle with the 300+ steps at Hampstead nowadays even without a heavy toolbag. I once remember leaving the old signal pool van and entering Camden Town station with a supervisor carrying my toolbag and a Tilley lamp to light the way, walking straight down the escalators, onto the track and walking the tunnel to Hampstead and then climbing the spiral, leaving the station and getting back into the van which was waiting for us. That was circa 1978 before all the H&S that tightly binds everything these days! It was snowing as I recall but I was quite warm, the Underground was a very different world in those days.
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Post by johnb on Jan 11, 2008 15:34:04 GMT
Even though I haven't seen that mentioned, it's another major annoyance. Never actually had a significant problem with it yet but would give one warning shout of "move forward" if it looked inevitable. Brilliant semi-related one at Farringdon this morning at 0905 - foreign tourist-y couple (side-by-side) trying to open the barriers by waving their NR tickets at the Oyster pads. Entire C-stock full of slightly late city types stuck behind them were /distinctly/ unamused...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2008 21:45:53 GMT
I've seen people waving the wrong things at Oyster pads before... to quote a bank commercial, I usually say "It doesn't work like that." and then, if anything, show them what to do.
I normally allow a little extra time for my journeys so the odd microfortnight lost here and there on things like that makes no difference to me. Of course, if the trains are delayed, I can be behind time nonetheless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 18:58:43 GMT
There was actually someone enforcing the one-way stairs at Tower Hill this evening. I gave her the thumbs up just as my train arrived.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 6:17:13 GMT
I've seen people waving the wrong things at Oyster pads before... to quote a bank commercial, I usually say "It doesn't work like that." and then, if anything, show them what to do. Before the Onepulse business started, I was on the gateline at Arnos and some kapt waving their Oyster card over the pad with no success. After a handful of tries I moved over, took one look, and had to say... "That's your bankcard." I've also seen people waving Oyster card holders that turned out not to have Oyster cards in... a few accidents, a few looking suspiciously like they weren't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 17:11:06 GMT
I hate at King's Cross, the stairs from the Underground interchange concourse to the Circle, H&S and Met. It says KEEP LEFT, so why can't people KEEP LEFT! If people start listening, then maybe as I walk on the left around that blind corner, they wont come crashing into me, and come off worse, any more! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2008 9:46:07 GMT
As I mentioned earlier, stairs and passageways really need a general "unless signs say otherwise, keep ..." rule. There should be signs to show when you need to keep to the "other" side, or when you are in a one-way area - and a reminder of which side to keep to generally when exiting such an area.
Of course, the escalator rule is STAND on the RIGHT, WALK on the LEFT - and should only be different for people who genuinely need to stand on the left, or if a curved escalator is installed - as far as I know, nowhere in Europe has these yet.
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Post by suncloud on Jan 16, 2008 11:30:54 GMT
Why would people need to stand on the Left on an escalator? Also I walk on the right unless a standing or slower walking person is there.
It annoys me so much when people block the left of escalators, which is why when I came up the travelator at Bank with two big wheeled bags I stood to one side to let all the other passengers up first and then followed on after as I knew I'd block the way or have a lot of hassle trying not to.
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 16, 2008 12:03:41 GMT
I hate at King's Cross, the stairs from the Underground interchange concourse to the Circle, H&S and Met. It says KEEP LEFT, so why can't people KEEP LEFT! If people start listening, then maybe as I walk on the left around that blind corner, they wont come crashing into me, and come off worse, any more! ;D King's Cross has always been a problem because of the two two-way entrances from the street, the exit from the circulating area via the Khyber Pass and the two-way traffic from the bullring all converging into a single passageway and all having to cross each other to enter and exit the Hot & Cold. I would've thought this would've been redesigned as part of the preparation and enabling works for CTRL. I don't know as I haven't been there for three years now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2008 18:16:51 GMT
Why would people need to stand on the Left on an escalator? Having use of only the left arm springs to mind... it could be a problem for some people to stand on the right. Not that I am in any way excusing those who could do so and don't. Absolutely correct of course.
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