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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2007 14:47:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2007 15:30:33 GMT
Have seen a walk through detector used at Morden station before, but would imagine that Camdens experience with interchange/exit mode has a bearing on detectors being used (how busy is CTN of an evening?).
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Post by Chris W on May 10, 2007 16:19:53 GMT
I've seen BT Police at National Rail stations before with mobile/walk through metal detectors Unless sufficient Police are permanently manning them, they're pointless - who else has sufficient powers to arrest/detain  I can't see this being introduced across the network unless the manpower is there and its not at the moment. Those that carry these weapons will just use different stations; good for Camden Town/Road stations & immediate vicinity, but it doesn't solve the problem of why juveniles (typically) decide to carry weapons in the first place. That's a more deeply rooted problem and takes the input from society at large, in particular from families/parents. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2007 23:08:09 GMT
Wouldnt this just cause more chao's?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2007 11:53:55 GMT
Wouldnt this just cause more chao's? The way these things are staffed and managed is quite good. There are more then enough Police Officers there if things went wrong........ |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2007 16:16:48 GMT
Oh yay, more security measures! Exactly what I want.
And Camden Road is obviously a spacious station where this can easily take place.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2007 22:45:21 GMT
so what more policemen standing around doing nothing rather than catching real criminals
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2007 0:23:15 GMT
What I was getting at in raising this in the context of having metal detectors in Camden Town station is the extreme busyness of the station at almost all hours and the very limited space within the station itself. How can metal detector screening be practically applied unless the screening is limited to persons meeting whatever racial/ethnic/class parameters the police may choose to apply on a particular day? And what makes those parameters valid?
It appears to me that this is a lot of effort expended that will have little or no practical result beyond moving the criminals up to, say, Kentish Town. Unless the police are given free rein to determine that, for example, a black male with a beard is always a security threat, then they will have to screen everyone and that, given the nature of Camden Town station, is not possible in the peak hours (which after all is when one would probably carry out an attack).
Maybe there is some magic to this, but it sure does not appear from the facts presented. It might be better to have the police do real work.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2007 0:56:51 GMT
It might be better to have the police do real work. so what more policemen standing around doing nothing rather than catching real criminals To me this does seem like useful work - it's a preventative measure. There are some very nasty people out there and to disarm and arrest at least some of them cannot be a bad thing. |
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Post by towerman on May 12, 2007 5:34:32 GMT
There were quite a few arrests due to carrying knives and drugs,so maybe it was a success.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2007 8:12:35 GMT
Sadly where I work isn't exactly a pleasant location. Myself and a couple of colleagues have put pressure on LU and BTP to stage more events like described above and I must admit from personal experience they work very well.
Firstly, there is more that goes on than meets the eye. I won't mention exactly what, for obvious reasons, but when we had the knife scanner at our station it was a huge operation.
For some stupid reason, petty criminals, burglars, drug runners, drug users, gangs etc etc decide to travel on the tube without buying a ticket. So operations like this actually benefit the entire community.
One of the best operations I see are the drug dogs. It's fun to see the Spaniels go mad at somebodies feet, the guy (and they always are) things "what a lovely doggy" but when these burly coppers then arrest him. CLASS
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2007 10:42:34 GMT
I had to go through scanners at camden road NLL
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2007 6:23:03 GMT
It might be better to have the police do real work. so what more policemen standing around doing nothing rather than catching real criminals To me this does seem like useful work - it's a preventative measure. There are some very nasty people out there and to disarm and arrest at least some of them cannot be a bad thing. There are "nasty people out there" everywhere, but this is not going to stop them. It is mostly a huge nuisance for all the not so nasty people trying to get somewhere. I can't imagine having to go through a metal detector, putting all your luggage, change, belt etc. on the conveyor belt. etc. etc. This is going to cause a lot of time and problems on an already congested station. I really don't think that what we need in our society is more preventative measures like this and checking whether people might be able to do something wrong. Catch the ones that do things wrong and work on the underlying reasons behind it, instead. The UK is full of CCTV and has still managed to be the first wester country to surpass the USA when it comes to the number of crimes per capita. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2007 20:56:20 GMT
Two words: Security Theater
google that along with Bruce Schneier
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