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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2007 12:06:42 GMT
After the SS has lamped out the last trains in both directions on an LU station, what is the general procedure for shutting down the station and certifying it as secured for night activities?
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Post by Tubeboy on Mar 23, 2007 16:00:46 GMT
Locking the gates is usually a good start. Its as simple as that.
I could elaborate further, but as its a public forum, the wrong people might be reading and get ideas, so I will PM you shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2007 20:32:31 GMT
The 'general' procedure: 1) Make sure last customer has left 2) Close the boswick gates. 3) Switch off escalators 4) Telephone our designated station to say we're locked up 5) Make sure all the contractors are booked on. 6) Make sure the contractors haven't left any gates open. 7) Throw out the drunks/ vagrants that the contractors have let in. 8) Sort out any disagreements between teams of contractors. 9) Test the fire alarm panel / emergency equipment / CCTV. 10) Make sure no contractors have broken anything/ killed anybody and do a station check. 11) Test the back up power supply 12) Kick the cleaners for not doing any work 13) Eat my low calorie ready meal. 14) Play simsig for about 30 mins 15) Check all areas the contractors have been working in. Telephone our designated location and tell them we're still alive. 16) Switch on the escalators and lights 17) Do a full and thorough station check. And that all contractors have left. 18) Shout at the public who let themselves in to get their Metro's 19) Switch back on the lights 20) Book on the early turn staff 21) Switch on all ticket machines/ ticket gates etc 22) Open the gates again. 23) Telephone our designated station that we're open. 24) Check the first trains have working CCTV However I can remember an ex-colleague who worked at a location that I won't divulge not NOT on the Black Line. Who's nights went like this: 1) Lock gates 2) Phone designated location 3) Give contractors station keys 4) Go to ticket office 5) Open bed 6) Set alarm clock 7) Sleep 8) Wake up 9) Get keys back 10) Do a station check 11) Open gates.........
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Post by nexus6 on Mar 25, 2007 14:33:18 GMT
12) Kick the cleaners for not doing any work After waking them up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2007 18:29:33 GMT
12) Kick the cleaners for not doing any work After waking them up. Whoops forgot to mention
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2007 21:49:52 GMT
Dont forget somewhere between 15 and 17 to raid vending machines on platforms... code #*** or #$$$
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Post by jr on Jun 17, 2007 14:13:33 GMT
Does every LUL station have a night turn then?
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Post by c5 on Jun 17, 2007 14:15:51 GMT
Every station should have a night turn supervisor.
If there is no-one available then a DSM (or similar) will need to travel by road to secure the station at close of traffic, or the late turn may choose to stay on, but then has to leave the keys at the appointed station.
Oh and of course with this new "Rule" Book, the lamping out of last trains does not have to be done anymore, unless it is being held to maintain a connection, and sometimes it is cheaper to get the passenger a taxi!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2007 15:09:44 GMT
So, if there's no lamping out, do they close the station to passengers before the last train arrives, or just hope no-one is making their way to the train when its leaving?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2007 17:42:37 GMT
Every station now has a rostered night turn SS. About a year back, a few never had a night turn SS but were staffed from first train to last train.
JTD's procedure is only for sub surface stations, which can be left open without a SS. Back when I worked above ground, the SS from a designated station booked a special taxi after the last train had gone, and would travel to the unstaffed station, lock it up and travel back AND claim 2 hours overtime.
Trouble is nowdays under the PPP, to much work is done at night and an unstaffed station could mean ££££'s for the contractors through denied access.
Whilst the rule book no longer requires a last train to be lamped out - AFAIK they still are.
Most stations outside Z1 would have a busier last train, normally the last one into Central London. But will still have a service going the otherway for up to an hour later. Causes big problems with people not reading the signs, who then touch in their Oysters only to find no train (no they couldn't see the 2 big whiteboards on display) - so we have a patented last train system, where we turn all the ticket machines off, switch all the gates to exit AND we speak to everybody wishing to travel after the last Central London train has gone, to make sure they're aware of the last train situation.
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Post by suncloud on Jun 17, 2007 19:01:17 GMT
Most stations outside Z1 would have a busier last train, normally the last one into Central London. But will still have a service going the otherway for up to an hour later. There's one station where the last 'in service' train departs 94 minutes after the last train leaves to go through central London!
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 17, 2007 19:20:19 GMT
Oh! What station is this! The lamping of last trains, and the fact that it is not mentioned in the new rule books is being looked at, and doubtless an appendix will be released soon. If I had a pound for every time someone went out on a night out, and missed the last train because they didnt bother to find out the times.........I would own my 95ts!
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Post by suncloud on Jun 17, 2007 22:55:54 GMT
I'll give you a clue of sorts and say it doesn't actually go "the other way"
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Post by Chris M on Jun 18, 2007 21:43:22 GMT
That clue suggests it is Edgware Road - the last circle line train departs, completes a circuit and then heads towards Hammersmith to stable?
Either that or one of the ones on the north side of the Hainault loop where the last train to Central London is followed by ones that go only as far as Woodford?
A third possibility, and maybe a more likely one, is that it is Chesham, with the last through train departing 94 minutes before the last shuttle?
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Post by Colin on Jun 19, 2007 1:58:34 GMT
The lamping of last trains, and the fact that it is not mentioned in the new rule books is being looked at, and doubtless an appendix will be released soon. Indeed. In the meantime, this week's traffic circular (25) say's that the new rule book wording wasn't meant to change the procedure and that "current practices for managing the departure of last trains must not be changed" - it then states that a review of the wording will take place. It's on page 31, section 5.4.2 for those with authorised access.
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Post by c5 on Jun 19, 2007 3:53:10 GMT
That clue suggests it is Edgware Road - the last circle line train departs, completes a circuit and then heads towards Hammersmith to stable? Either that or one of the ones on the north side of the Hainault loop where the last train to Central London is followed by ones that go only as far as Woodford? A third possibility, and maybe a more likely one, is that it is Chesham, with the last through train departing 94 minutes before the last shuttle? I don't think it is Edgware Road (from memory). It might be Chesham, the last arrival does depart Empty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2007 5:34:14 GMT
I would guess it's somewhere like Chalfont & Latimer, Croxley, Hillingdon or Theydon Bois where the last central London train goes early-ish and then the last Amersham/Watford/Uxbridge/Epping etc goes through the other way 94 mins later...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2007 8:47:28 GMT
If all ticket machines are switched off and gates are put on exit, what would happen if someone arrived who wanted to travel "outbound"?
I used to live in Uxbridge... last train arriving from London at 01.27, last train to Baker Street at 00.03*. That by the way, means that Uxbridge with 01.30 and 00.00 doesn't win this contest. I used to be on that last train from London all the time... it was a Piccadilly, and I've waited at Acton Town (on a Piccadilly to Acton Town or Northfields) praying that my connection was still there quite a few times. It always went well, though.
*I'm not counting the train that go no further than Wembley Park, here.
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Post by suncloud on Jun 21, 2007 10:26:00 GMT
I would guess it's somewhere like Chalfont & Latimer, Croxley, Hillingdon or Theydon Bois where the last central London train goes early-ish and then the last Amersham/Watford/Uxbridge/Epping etc goes through the other way 94 mins later... I did drop a hint saying it wasn't "the other way" but you are pretty close with one of your guesses prakash... (which iirc has about 92 minutes between the last train into london and the last train to leave altogether)...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2007 20:00:36 GMT
If all ticket machines are switched off and gates are put on exit, what would happen if someone arrived who wanted to travel "outbound"? It's very technical - we open one of the machines and then allow the person through the manual gate ;D I always stand out with the CSA on the gateline for our 50 minute wait until we close - helps the CSA plus I can move on any drunks, druggies, vagrants that try and move in.
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 21, 2007 20:20:08 GMT
Perusing the staff rosters on the Intranet, I have noticed Cannon Street has no night turn SS. I am assuming a reserve SS from Tower Hill goes down when work has to be done?
Nice rosters there, sa finishes at 2130, has 1 in 3 saturdays off, and every sunday off.
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Post by Colin on Jun 22, 2007 0:27:07 GMT
That's cos Cannon Street shuts at 2100 (m-f) and is closed all day on sundays Dunno about the SS side of things though.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jun 22, 2007 18:21:20 GMT
I've waited at Acton Town (on a Piccadilly to Acton Town or Northfields) praying that my connection was still there quite a few times. It always went well, though. ISTR there are certain connections that have to be maintained - like the ones documented in the WTT as "connects to/from the last train to x".
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Post by c5 on Jun 22, 2007 18:25:21 GMT
I've waited at Acton Town (on a Piccadilly to Acton Town or Northfields) praying that my connection was still there quite a few times. It always went well, though. ISTR there are certain connections that have to be maintained - like the ones documented in the WTT as "connects to/from the last train to x". Quite often nowadays, the train will go (unless it is a matter of a few minutes) and a taxi will take passengers as it is cheaper.....
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