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Post by muppetprince on Mar 1, 2012 20:42:38 GMT
Hello all, I am new to the forum this being my first post and I am hoping someone out there can help with a query I have. I am going to try and model the train that delivered the 1983 stock when new, which I believe originated in Birmingham and came south via Aylesbury and Amersham. The train consisted of two brake vans with barrier/adapter wagons, the six? car set and the train locomotive, as illustrated in the link below. www.class25.info/photograph_pages/individual_photos/840000_25_Amersham3.htmI was wondering if anyone could supply any further information or photos of these workings? Things such as the delivery period, the time of day of the working, brake van/wagon numbers, anything really. I did read on this forum that when delivered some modifications were made to the early sets, were these sent back to the factory for this work? Thanks in advance Barry |
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 1, 2012 21:03:43 GMT
Firstly, welcome to The Forum! Secondly, I love how the caption to your linked photo is "An unidentified class 25 locomotive approaches Amersham with new coaches for the London Underground Jubilee Line". Coaches? COACHES?  Cars definitely, Carriages maybe; but surely, coaches are what are pulled by horses and/or run on roads? Thirdly, Welcome to The Forum!
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 2, 2012 0:53:05 GMT
I was wondering if anyone could supply any further information or photos of these workings? Things such as the delivery period, the time of day of the working, brake van/wagon numbers, anything really. I did read on this forum that when delivered some modifications were made to the early sets, were these sent back to the factory for this work? The 1993 edition of London Underground Rolling Stock by Brian Hardy says they were delivered between August 1983 and May 1985. Seven units were sent back in October to December 1984, returning to London from January - March 1985. Also the batch 2 units weren't built until 1987 - 88, so it is possible that different locos and wagons might have been used for delivering them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2012 2:16:25 GMT
The train looks fully lit I assume that is a reflection of of the Sun.
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Post by fleetline on Mar 23, 2012 22:53:08 GMT
Secondly, I love caption to your linked photo is "An unidentified class 25 locomotive approaches Amersham with new coaches for the London Underground Jubilee Line". Coaches? COACHES? Cars definitely, Carriages maybe; but surely, coaches are what are pulled by horses and/or run on roads? Coaches is the correct term. As trains are formed for coaching stock. Carriages is the public term. |
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Post by fleetline on Mar 23, 2012 22:54:13 GMT
Hello all, I am new to the forum this being my first post and I am hoping someone out there can help with a query I have. I am going to try and model the train that delivered the 1983 stock when new, which I believe originated in Birmingham and came south via Aylesbury and Amersham. The train consisted of two brake vans with barrier/adapter wagons, the six? car set and the train locomotive, as illustrated in the link below. www.class25.info/photograph_pages/individual_photos/840000_25_Amersham3.htmI was wondering if anyone could supply any further information or photos of these workings? Things such as the delivery period, the time of day of the working, brake van/wagon numbers, anything really. I did read on this forum that when delivered some modifications were made to the early sets, were these sent back to the factory for this work? Thanks in advance Barry While I can't help you out with info, I look forward to seeing your model. Have always had a soft spot for the 83ts stock. (No I'm not insane and I don't know why I like them, just do!) |
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Post by Rich32 on Mar 25, 2012 10:05:35 GMT
Secondly, I love caption to your linked photo is "An unidentified class 25 locomotive approaches Amersham with new coaches for the London Underground Jubilee Line". Coaches? COACHES? Cars definitely, Carriages maybe; but surely, coaches are what are pulled by horses and/or run on roads? Coaches is the correct term. As trains are formed for coaching stock. Carriages is the public term. Indeed coaches is the correct term for National Rail (and elsewhere on the British Isles), however due to the part-American heritage of LU, they are known as Cars on the combine. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 11:42:28 GMT
Secondly, I love caption to your linked photo is "An unidentified class 25 locomotive approaches Amersham with new coaches for the London Underground Jubilee Line". Coaches? COACHES? Cars definitely, Carriages maybe; but surely, coaches are what are pulled by horses and/or run on roads? Coaches is the correct term. As trains are formed for coaching stock. Carriages is the public term. I'd always understood coaching stock to be loco-hauled stuff! |
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Post by alfie on Mar 25, 2012 12:49:54 GMT
How do they get from Birmingham to Aylesbury? Thought the Great Central got ripped up?
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Post by metrailway on Mar 25, 2012 13:48:26 GMT
Hello all, I am new to the forum this being my first post and I am hoping someone out there can help with a query I have. I am going to try and model the train that delivered the 1983 stock when new, which I believe originated in Birmingham and came south via Aylesbury and Amersham. The train consisted of two brake vans with barrier/adapter wagons, the six? car set and the train locomotive, as illustrated in the link below. www.class25.info/photograph_pages/individual_photos/840000_25_Amersham3.htmI was wondering if anyone could supply any further information or photos of these workings? Things such as the delivery period, the time of day of the working, brake van/wagon numbers, anything really. I did read on this forum that when delivered some modifications were made to the early sets, were these sent back to the factory for this work? Thanks in advance Barry There used to be a few photos of the 1983 stock delivery on fotopic but sadly that site no longer exists. Here is one pic I found: www.metroland.org.uk/unusual/A_25_leaves_Amersham_with_tube_stock.jpgThe brakevans used would be similar to these ones: www.anorakheaven.com/photos/ev033.jpg I know when LT stock was delivered, sometimes REA vans were used instead of brake vans as shown here: www.anorakheaven.com/photos/rs068.jpgwww.metroland.org.uk/unusual/Autumn_1994_37048_Amersham.JPGand in this video: How do they get from Birmingham to Aylesbury? Thought the Great Central got ripped up? By the Chiltern Main Line. From Brum, they would go to Princes Risborough, and then head to Aylesbury and then onto the Met. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 19:45:26 GMT
In the 1980s, Bletchley - Calvert - Aylesbury would have been available.
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Post by castlebar on Mar 25, 2012 20:18:40 GMT
Not via P Risborough but as stonesfan says via Bletchley - Calvert,(facing junction) -Aylesbury so no reversals required, only then for P Risborough IF for or from W Ruislip (still no reversals required), so no locos were placed/needed at both ends.
B R (M) took the Calvert route to service the Marylebone DMU stock (at Bletchley)
A photo exists somewhere of class 25s (Midland Region's preferred haulage from Marylebone) hauling L.T. stock through Winslow
NOTE ALSO that some of the A stock (5067) on metrailway's video posted at 2.48 is branded as "East London Line"
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Post by ruislip on Mar 26, 2012 0:52:45 GMT
An interesting mix of paint schemes on Metrailway's video too (I guess the 4 car unit with the blue doors was part of a trial design they used for the ELL).
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Cars definitely, Carriages maybe; but surely, coaches are what are pulled by horses and/or run on roads?
