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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 8:34:10 GMT
Just seen on tfl website that the Met line possession between Wembley and Northwood/Uxbridge has now been cancelled. Is this sufficient notice to get extra drivers rostered for the Baker Street northbound services, or will there still be no trains running north of Wembley, as was originally planned?
Need to get to Amersham on Saturday regardless, so would be very handy to know what's happening.
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Post by DWS on Feb 15, 2012 9:19:28 GMT
Yes the possession has been cancelled, the only part of the met not running this weekend is Moorgate to Aldgate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 9:36:38 GMT
So Does this mean the shuttle wont run this weekend?
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Post by Harsig on Feb 15, 2012 15:08:59 GMT
Owing to the short notice nature of this change, adhoc arrangements are being put in place to operate to all north Met destinations, with the limited resources available.
As I understand it the current intention is to operate the following services:
Baker Street to Uxbridge All Stations every 20 minutes Baker Street to Watford All Stations every 20 minutes Baker Street to Amersham Fast every 40 minutes Baker Street to Chesham Fast every 40 minutes. Normal Chiltern weekend services operating on the Met.
There will be no Met Main services east of Baker Street, this section being solely served by the Hammersmith & City Line.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 15:51:37 GMT
Owing to the short notice nature of this change, adhoc arrangements are being put in place to operate to all north Met destinations, with the limited resources available. As I understand it the current intention is to operate the following services: Baker Street to Uxbridge All Stations every 20 minutes Baker Street to Watford All Stations every 20 minutes Baker Street to Amersham Fast every 40 minutes Baker Street to Chesham Fast every 40 minutes. Normal Chiltern weekend services operating on the Met. There will be no Met Main services east of Baker Street, this section being solely served by the Hammersmith & City Line. Ah excellent good to see Fast trains from BST during the weekend, cheers!
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Post by citysig on Feb 15, 2012 19:17:52 GMT
;D Thank you - after all, I wrote the timetable being used this coming weekend (I'll deny all knowledge of it if it turns out I've left some nasty errors in it. I did only have a few hours to create it from scratch ;D )
We have very limited numbers of Train Operators, as many were expecting to be off this weekend, and many cannot change their arrangements. Therefore I have had to create a timetable with this in mind.
To be honest, the service level is more or less what was advertised when the engineering work was going ahead, except there will not now be any Chesham shuttle, and the line is now operating as far as Baker Street.
H&C engineering work is still going ahead.
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Post by DWS on Feb 15, 2012 19:20:20 GMT
MetControl, can you tell us why the work was cancelled ?
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Post by citysig on Feb 15, 2012 19:24:18 GMT
I cannot really go into it. A mixture of complications, and also a decision by management to try and give Met customers a bit of a break after last weekend / Monday's disruption.
However things operate over this weekend, Monday morning will certainly be much better than last Monday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 21:02:46 GMT
Thanks for the info. Any idea when this work will be rescheduled for and will the rescheduling involve the Chesham shuttles for the very last time? Some of us are like coiled springs waiting for that! Thanks again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 21:09:51 GMT
Thanks for the info. Any idea when this work will be rescheduled for and will the rescheduling involve the Chesham shuttles for the very last time? Some of us are like coiled springs waiting for that! Thanks again. I Checked on TFL site and the exact same closure (Wembley Park, Uxbridge and Northwood) Is Happening on 21st and 22nd April. Not sure if this is true though. Link to the Page: www.tfl.gov.uk/livetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspxCheck under 21st and 22nd April
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Post by citysig on Feb 15, 2012 21:45:41 GMT
At this point in time, the April closure (or other subsequent closures) will not bring about the Chesham shuttle, but never say never. I've learnt better than that ;D Incidentally, just for the record, version 1.1 of my timetable did have Chesham shuttles, but I'm afraid management opted for through services. I can issue version 1.1 for a small fee if anyone wants to see what would've operated ;D ;D (Can't blame a man for trying )
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Post by metman on Feb 15, 2012 22:44:12 GMT
And fair play for trying! The shuttle may have allowed extra resources to be used elsewhere!
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Post by citysig on Feb 15, 2012 23:18:29 GMT
Well, yes I see what you're saying, but strangely enough draft 1 had 16 trains with a shuttle and draft 2 also had 16 trains without. The advertised service this weekend for Chesham was every 40 minutes, and I have granted just that, a 50/50 split with Amersham on a 20-minute ex-Baker Street (fast) service. I think it's the fact that the service is so "low" which has meant resources can match the through service as much as a shuttle. Also, we were told that no double-ended units were available, as they were all coupled to others due to stock availability - so you can deduce from that what you will. There may very well have been problems with that particular service this weekend whatever the decision. Perhaps too many (random?) disposals without taking into account the (future) planned service...
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Post by allan60 on Feb 16, 2012 0:11:21 GMT
I think most people will agree with me when I say, MetControl, can you put A stocks on the Fast services please, and if possible, all 16 trains to be A stocks? Thank you by the way, I think you have done a brilliant job in making this timetable with such a short notice
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Post by memorex on Feb 16, 2012 10:45:12 GMT
I think most people will agree with me when I say, MetControl, can you put A stocks on the Fast services please, and if possible, all 16 trains to be A stocks? Think that'll probably be down to the Depot Duty Managers as opposed to the controller? Thank you by the way, I think you have done a brilliant job in making this timetable with such a short notice And yes, well done as always
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Post by citysig on Feb 16, 2012 11:09:05 GMT
Yes I'm afraid I cannot allocate stock. Given it only needs 16 trains, technically we could run the whole service with S-stock ;D Appreciate the thanks, but let's wait til Monday morning first, just incase I've left something in there that shouldn't be there ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 17:11:44 GMT
Any idea when the train times to Chesham on Sunday are going on the TfL Journey Planner? It's showing a half-hourly service on Sunday morning. I need to put the correct train times on the Ramblers Walks Finder for arrival at Chesham around 10:15.
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Post by Harsig on Feb 16, 2012 18:10:31 GMT
Any idea when the train times to Chesham on Sunday are going on the TfL Journey Planner? It's showing a half-hourly service on Sunday morning. I need to put the correct train times on the Ramblers Walks Finder for arrival at Chesham around 10:15. According to the copy of the timetable I've got then you want either 08:55 Baker Street to Chesham arrive 09:46 (Finchley Rd 09:00, Harrow 09:12, Moor Park 09:22, Rickmansworth 09:27, Chorleywood 09:32, Chalfont 09:36) or 09:35 Baker Street to Chesham arrive 10:26 (Finchley Rd 09:40, Harrow 09:52, Moor Park 10:02, Rickmansworth 10:07, Chorleywood 10:12, Chalfont 10:16) Remember though that things are still not set in stone. The plan may change (unlikely at this very late stage) or things on the day may not run according to plan.
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Post by citysig on Feb 17, 2012 12:18:38 GMT
It is hoped that Chesham services will get the majority of resources, given that it is only a 40-minute service, and Amersham has the Chiltern service.
Plans surrounding train operator coverage have been drawn up, and fit with the timetable, but it is still not 100% certain how many drivers will be at work on the weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 14:34:05 GMT
There is also a part day bus service, designed to shadow the train service north of Harrow in the event of any disruption. Buses will run from SOT to around 10:00 and again from 20:00 to COT on both days. Two services; A HOH to Rayners (for Pic Line) and B Harrow to Ricky and either Watford or Chesham via Amersham.
Although timetabled, hopefully it will not be needed. We are running both.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 18:15:17 GMT
deansullivan Are you operating them? Nearlly all fasts are bloody S stock, currently on 5148+5070 heading for Amasham!
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Post by metman on Feb 18, 2012 18:24:55 GMT
I'm about to go to Eastcote, hope these some A60s about
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Post by allan60 on Feb 18, 2012 18:43:19 GMT
Today on the fasts there was 3 A stocks units: 5070+5149, 5090+5151 and 5018+5199. My suggestion to get more A stocks out there is to stable the S stocks at uxbridge and rickmansworth slidings and the A stocks at Neasden Depot, so for tomorrow there would be more A stocks around then S stocks. But yes, today there was only a few A stocks working.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 19:08:34 GMT
Today on the fasts there was 3 A stocks units: 5070+5149, 5090+5151 and 5018+5199. But yes, today there was only a few A stocks working. A taste of what is soon to come!
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Post by citysig on Feb 18, 2012 19:31:05 GMT
Today on the fasts there was 3 A stocks units: 5070+5149, 5090+5151 and 5018+5199. My suggestion to get more A stocks out there is to stable the S stocks at uxbridge and rickmansworth slidings and the A stocks at Neasden Depot, so for tomorrow there would be more A stocks around then S stocks. But yes, today there was only a few A stocks working. There is only a small amount of "stock rotation" written into the timetable - otherwise it would have either become over-complicated, or last trains could have been earlier, or have very large gaps between the last handful of trains. So I'm afraid that what you got today will be more or less what you get tomorrow ;D
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Post by causton on Feb 19, 2012 0:25:04 GMT
Why is TfL advertising a reduced service north of Harrow-on-the-Hill? There is a reduced service south of Harrow-on-the-Hill as well!
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Post by 21146 on Feb 19, 2012 1:58:22 GMT
Because the engineering work was cancelled at the last minute, allegedly to give Met Line users some "respite" from the suspensions (wish District Line passengers could have similar consideration - 10 years of shutdowns for track replacement project [TRP], and now S Stock work; it'll be resignalling next - and then back to TRP).
Or was it the disruption of the Late-Surrender last Monday which suspended Met and Jubilee Lines and caused outrage from the Mayor's office?
Anyway, too late to change drivers' duties, so not enough of them to run a normal, oops sorry, "good" service.
Won't happen in the New World of "Deep Tube" I guess.
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Post by v52gc on Feb 19, 2012 5:51:21 GMT
Because the engineering work was cancelled at the last minute, allegedly to give Met Line users some "respite" from the suspensions (wish District Line passengers could have similar consideration - 10 years of shutdowns for track replacement project [TRP], and now S Stock work; it'll be resignalling next - and then back to TRP). Or was it the disruption of the Late-Surrender last Monday which suspended Met and Jubilee Lines and caused outrage from the Mayor's office? Anyway, too late to change drivers' duties, so not enough of them to run a normal, oops sorry, "good" service. Won't happen in the New World of "Deep Tube" I guess. Not so sure about that last "point" ;D What about all the station workers and techies booked off... Less boots to fill at short notice maybe but a similar problem me thinks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 10:28:08 GMT
Does anyone know how many A stock are out today?
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Post by Harsig on Feb 19, 2012 10:39:09 GMT
Does anyone know how many A stock are out today? At this precise instant there are five (out of sixteen) trains formed of A stock. One on each of the Amersham, Chesham & Uxbridge sevices and two on the Watford services.
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