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Post by John Tuthill on Apr 1, 2014 9:12:51 GMT
Check the date!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 1, 2014 9:38:33 GMT
Inspired no doubt by the "Divided Bridge" at Datchet: Berks and Bucks each built their own half, to different designs, (one in wood, the other in iron) which didn't (quite) touch in the middle. It lasted less than ten years.
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Post by melikepie on Apr 1, 2014 10:20:57 GMT
I think its about time someone came up with different colours. Grey is so bland.
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Post by trt on Apr 1, 2014 10:46:34 GMT
I think its about time someone came up with different colours. Grey is so bland. That lovely, lovely bridge over the A5 at Kilburn...
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Post by peterc on Apr 1, 2014 20:28:36 GMT
Now I will be an "April Fool" it that article wasn't a spoof.
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Post by mrjrt on Apr 2, 2014 23:05:03 GMT
Let's not forget North Acton's lovely effort:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 23:30:05 GMT
Pathetic Council staff; sack them all and then see if they can jobs in the real world!
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 3, 2014 8:46:08 GMT
Pathetic Council staff; sack them all and then see if they can jobs in the real world! XF Nothing to do with the council staff, I think you will find that Network rail is responsible. Many council staff were sacked over twenty years ago in pursuit of efficiency, since then council services have declined to almost nothing.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 3, 2014 9:27:10 GMT
Let's not forget North Acton's lovely effort: Note that both bridges have received the half-and-half treatment. If NR own the bridge, why did they only treat the bit spanning LU's tracks? Was it simply that they took advantage of a closure of the Central Line to do that side, and the New North Line spans will be done at a later date?
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Post by thc on Apr 3, 2014 10:43:05 GMT
Pathetic Council staff; sack them all and then see if they can jobs in the real world! XF Now now, we could fall out very quickly over this! As one of the "pathetic Council staff" you all too easily deride, we have been subjected to many years of cuts and downsizing, our present from central government for being i) widely recognised as the most efficient arm of the public sector and ii) the only part of the public service not under central control. We do the very best we can to serve our public under incredibly trying circumstances. Onto your point, which belies a fundamental misunderstanding of our role. As Council officers, it is a significant part of our job to put into practice the policies of our elected Members. Were this WO report real rather than an April Fool, such posturing over paint would have the stamp of the elected ego all over it. We are professionals, adept at maximising value for money, and would not advocate such nonsense, especially when it clearly flies in the face of common sense. However, the local democratic mandate that Members possess is an incredibly powerful tool and they do not hesitate to wield it. You will have a chance to "sack" them at the local elections; that for the executive Mayor of Watford is on 22 May this year and those for local councillors (county and district) rotate on a four-yearly cycle. Finally, we are all too aware of what goes on in the "real world", thank you very much. We have to house the homeless, take care of vulnerable adults and children and clean up the rubbish from people who think nothing of lobbing it in the gutter. All while coping with year-on-year budget cuts of several per cent each time. How much more "real world" do you want? Trust me on this, you'll miss us when the Coalition have finished trashing us and we're not there anymore. THC
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Post by pitdiver on Apr 3, 2014 12:13:35 GMT
Pathetic Council staff; sack them all and then see if they can jobs in the real world! XF Now now, we could fall out very quickly over this! As one of the "pathetic Council staff" you all too easily deride, we have been subjected to many years of cuts and downsizing, our present from central government for being i) widely recognised as the most efficient arm of the public sector and ii) the only part of the public service not under central control. We do the very best we can to serve our public under incredibly trying circumstances. Onto your point, which belies a fundamental misunderstanding of our role. As Council officers, it is a significant part of our job to put into practice the policies of our elected Members. Were this WO report real rather than an April Fool, such posturing over paint would have the stamp of the elected ego all over it. We are professionals, adept at maximising value for money, and would not advocate such nonsense, especially when it clearly flies in the face of common sense. However, the local democratic mandate that Members possess is an incredibly powerful tool and they do not hesitate to wield it. You will have a chance to "sack" them at the local elections; that for the executive Mayor of Watford is on 22 May this year and those for local councillors (county and district) rotate on a four-yearly cycle. Finally, we are all too aware of what goes on in the "real world", thank you very much. We have to house the homeless, take care of vulnerable adults and children and clean up the rubbish from people who think nothing of lobbing it in the gutter. All while coping with year-on-year budget cuts of several per cent each time. How much more "real world" do you want? Trust me on this, you'll miss us when the Coalition have finished trashing us and we're not there anymore. THC I don't want to sound patronising but I think my council's staff do a damn good job. I live in Central Beds.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 19:39:03 GMT
Of all the things to consider about the Croxley Link the colour of the bridge is not exactly top of this list . More delay as sub committees are set up, Croxley Mills will reopen to supply all the paper for the pointless reports; then the disturbed ghost of Lord Ebury will have to be laid to rest and all Elton John will be consulted just in case gets interested in Watford FC again all this fun packed in to a 35 hour week.
I am glad i don't work in such a hellish environment if i did i would need some counselling too!
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 3, 2014 21:18:40 GMT
Did anyone take note of the date of the article?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 21:25:02 GMT
Did anyone take note of the date of the article? First class observation!
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Post by trt on Apr 4, 2014 9:11:04 GMT
Did anyone take note of the date of the article? First class observation! I'm sorry, Nigel! It was potentially believable. But if I may refer you to the late, great Douglas Adams... Golgafrincham Captain: And the wheel! What about this wheel thing? They say it's a fascinating project. Marketing Girl: Ah, well... We're err... having a little difficulty there. Ford Prefect: Difficulty? It's the single simplest machine in the entire Universe! Marketing Girl: All right then, Mr Wiseguy! If you're so clever, you tell us what colour it should be!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 18:40:51 GMT
I'm sorry, Nigel! It was potentially believable. But if I may refer you to the late, great Douglas Adams... Golgafrincham Captain: And the wheel! What about this wheel thing? They say it's a fascinating project. Marketing Girl: Ah, well... We're err... having a little difficulty there. Ford Prefect: Difficulty? It's the single simplest machine in the entire Universe! Marketing Girl: All right then, Mr Wiseguy! If you're so clever, you tell us what colour it should be! I'm off to the restaurant at the end of the universe for a long drink! XF
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Post by thc on Apr 7, 2014 6:54:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 17:00:31 GMT
There are currently 4 DC platforms at Watford Jct. and there used to be 5 up until the mid 1960's Their are lame excuses about signalling cabinets prohibiting the re-insatement of a 5th platform however I think this issue will be overcome as the capacity will be needed when the Met starts running into the station
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Post by Ben on May 10, 2014 21:24:36 GMT
It seems really suprising that nowadays a renew of signalling is publicised primarily to the mass public (as opposed to the S&T/mech/civils industry primarily), and then touted as some kind of massive investment! Yes, it might cost disproportionately more than what it might have done once, but is it really investment if its both a replacement and unavoidable?
My point for mentioning this is if the 5th platform is ever reinstated, you just know it'll be spun as the next best thing since sliced bread, and isn't everyone so clever for thinking of and funding such a forward thinking, radical, and gutsy project. When in the old days, a project actually deserving of such description would have been something like the reconstruction of Aldgate East for sheer audacity, or the Victoria Line works for intricacy. Nowadays if either were achieved in comparable situations with comparable results, the highest ten managers of the company would get some kind of Honour and a billion pound bonus, TfL would bung up enough self gratifying posters to fell the entire Amazon, and the contractors would trade on the project name ad infinum! Credit where its due, but most work done nowadays is only impressive, actually, because of the insane bueracracy and funny accounting hoops it has to jump through sucessfully!!!
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Post by Ben on May 10, 2014 21:38:03 GMT
On the subject of Cassiobridge -
"make it as fine and small and as the least intrusive as possible" // "fairly large structure" and "will glow at night"
It looks like a corrugated tin warehouse painted in War Department green. Except it will glow-in-the-dark (apart from the dirty bits...), much like Delboys mothers' gravestone after he painted it.
You ask me more often than not the ones who deserve to be fired are the charlatans and self proclaimed guru's from private companies who get the tenders. Bring design back in-house fully - lets have something that reflects the company and local area rather than someomes ego.
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Post by mrjrt on May 10, 2014 21:59:34 GMT
IMHO, having two platforms for LO and two for the Met will more than suffice. I really don't see 5 being brought back into use until services via the north curve become a thing. Only concern would be stabling, but there are the disused sidings south of the platforms that could be brought back into use, so not an insurmountable issue.
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Post by andypurk on May 11, 2014 0:11:19 GMT
IMHO, having two platforms for LO and two for the Met will more than suffice. As both LO and the Met manage to run their normal Watford service using two platforms each, I quite agree. LO really only use the other two platforms at Watford Junction for overnight stabling. Stabling will be retained at Watford Met. Maybe not the most convenient, but probably far cheaper than a solution at Watford Junction. Reinstating the sidings would probably be more expensive than reinstating platform 5, given that access is only currently possible from the WCML and not from the DC platforms. It will be interesting to see if there is any passive provision for reinstatement of either in the current resignalling scheme. This scheme does include a 'better' connection to/from the DC lines, for use during engineering works, but I havn't seen the details of the revised layout anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 12:47:10 GMT
I am surprised that the old station area is to be given over to sidings. Given the high cost of property in the area surrounding the station and cassiobury park, I would of thought that the land would have been sold off as soon as possible to cash in on price of prime real estate.
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Post by trt on May 11, 2014 19:34:33 GMT
I am surprised that the old station area is to be given over to sidings. Given the high cost of property in the area surrounding the station and cassiobury park, I would of thought that the land would have been sold off as soon as possible to cash in on price of prime real estate. Charlie The property isn't worth anywhere near as much without a passenger service from the Met.
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Post by thc on May 12, 2014 8:45:01 GMT
The property isn't worth anywhere near as much without a passenger service from the Met. Maybe not but i) Cassiobridge station will be around ten minutes' walk away and ii) sale of the site would still raise several £m. I must admit to surprise that this sale wasn't pursued and the money raised used to develop siding accommodation at Watford Junction. The real terms cost of doing so will inveitably rise after the Croxley Rail Link is open. THC
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Post by trt on May 12, 2014 8:52:27 GMT
The property isn't worth anywhere near as much without a passenger service from the Met. Maybe not but i) Cassiobridge station will be around ten minutes' walk away and ii) sale of the site would still raise several £m. I must admit to surprise that this sale wasn't pursued and the money raised used to develop siding accommodation at Watford Junction. The real terms cost of doing so will inveitably rise after the Croxley Rail Link is open. THC Besides, the station buildings themselves are Grade II locally listed, and they sold off the old goods sidings, the bulk of the station car park and the Observer Yard a few years ago now for flats.
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Post by Ben on May 12, 2014 18:49:04 GMT
What of the platform and buildings on it at Watford Met? Is it likely that they will be demolished or truncated for extra space at all?
If not, the station will in future be much coverted for visits on railtours!
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Post by trt on May 12, 2014 19:28:09 GMT
What of the platform and buildings on it at Watford Met? Is it likely that they will be demolished or truncated for extra space at all? If not, the station will in future be much coverted for visits on railtours! Actually, it's nationally listed!And the platforms and toilet blocks are listed.
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Post by Ben on May 12, 2014 23:28:47 GMT
Great news then, will be rather unique on the system after it closes!
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Post by thc on May 13, 2014 8:38:08 GMT
Two good reasons then why there seems to be little financial benefit from selling the site. Thanks for clarifying, trt. THC
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