Met to Whitechapel

Problem with that one is (I'm guessing) there wouldn't be OSI on those stations would there? I'm poor so I try to keep flitting on and off the network to a minimum!

Whitechapel station to Aldgate station is only 3/4 mile or just over 1km at street level, if you are up for the walk.

Could always change at Mile End.

One of the problems with OSIs is that the difficulty of determining which they are - AFAIK TfL does not publish a list, or provide any indication as to whether what might be an OSI (for ticketing purposes) actually is so (I know lists have been published, but by third parties based on FoI requests).

Matt, I'm not great at finding links to be honest but I had a quick look and if you go to the Metropolitan board, the second page has a thread 'Met to Barking'

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My apologies; I missed te Met to Barking thread! I just find it hard to flit in and out of the network on cost grounds, and snaking back to Mile End only to change and go back on myself seems a little pointless. I know from experience that lots of people end up stood out in the cold at Whitechapel waiting for a H&C line train to Liverpool Street that never comes, but I guess the benefits for that small group are outweighed by the complexities.

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It's a shame there isn't a nice simple subsidised all zones flat fare structure for commuters and a fixed price travel card for visitors and tourists. One could do away with booking offices at the majority of stations, deal with commuters via a website and with tourists and visitors via a simple ticket issuing machine giving a choice of one day or seven day or one month ticket only covering all zones. The potential losses in revenue would be balanced by the reduction in booking office staff, the much lower equipment maintenance and installation costs and by increased revenue from visitors and tourists, there would also be other savings in the various support areas as a result of a less complicated revenue stream.

I deliberately did not mention Oyster because it is supposedly on the way out. In any case an Oyster and a Travel card are two systems and IMO a single system would be much better and better still if handled online.

And also offline. But the Travelcard is a disaster, especially with my mum (she's the natural enemy of all magnetic card thingies like the travelcard.)

If I can buy a daily travel car in paper, I do. I once went for a jaunt with a company employee on the ELL just before it closed, in the process getting a wonderful view of the Thames Tunnel, something I wrote an essay about in my first year at uni. Anyway, made the mistake of using oyster on my mates insistance. Got charged the penalty fare. Twice. Because Ruislip - New Cross - Ruislip is way too long a journey without touching a reader.

If you could load a dailey travelcard on instead of relying on a cap that would be great.

RT: Are you suggesting something akin to an electronic 'Subway token'? That sounds too much like sensible thinking.

Back in the seventies, one of the ideas for fare structure reform on LT railways was to abolish fares completely; the idea being that the money lost from revenue would be saved by abolishing ticket offices full stop, as well as ticket checks. Though I can't quite see how this would square with what would, presumably, have been a nuclear explosion in passenger levels, it does raise a very interesting tangent. Where else, if not from fares and government, can LT earn and make money? The four potential sources I can think of are advertising, engineering, consultancy, and letting.

Its a great shame how such vision was destroyed along with any chance of the tube making itself a powerhouse of future transport.

Who is going to pay for this? I can assure you, LB Hillingdon has no money!

The Tube can still be an example for good public transport... if BoJo cancels Crossrail while he still can without losing too much money. Since it unnecessarily duplicates the Central line and 'creates non-existing transport links that aren't needed' (last one according to the Evening subStandard).

Chelney is a shelved project that needs to be built first. It has been shelved many times, and is needed by now.

Also, wasn't LUL nearly bankrupt?

In short YES!

LT used to make money from Letting but that was all hived off under a PFI and I don't know what percentage, if any, is retained by LUL.
LT used to make a lot of money through Advetising but that was also hived off under another outsourcing deal and I have no idea what LUL gets out of it nowadays.
LT used to make money from consultancy as LT International but AFAIK the last projects were in Australia in the late 1980s before LTI was wound up.
Engineering, civil, electrical, signals, communications, IT used to be a well oiled machine, design, fabrication, installation, maintenance, procurement etc was all covered but under the PPP it was decimated and sold off in chunks. It may be mostly back in house but AFAIK it is still very fragmented and just a shadow of what it once was.

To be honest if I was Prime Minister (no chance as I'm too extreme) I'd be wanting to ban all road traffic in the capital except buses, taxis and a limited number of essential service/utility vehicles from 0600 until 2300 and force everyone to be a commuter. From 2300 to 0600 I'd allow delivery trucks to stock up shops as well but there'd be no private cars at all. The knock-on effects would be absolutely astounding after everyone got over the shock and that's the problem because no politician has the guts to do such a thing!