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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 12:57:47 GMT
I still think it's madness to put all the trains south of Harrow on the slow line. If there is a problem of congestion, why not use all the lines you've got, all day? By all means run the Watford/Chesham/Amersham trains all-stops between Moor Park and Harrow, but then use the fast lines to Wembley Park and Finchley Road.
However, having read the newspaper article and the following comments, I can't see what this has got to do with the Croxley Rail Link?
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Post by mrjrt on Oct 22, 2011 13:37:39 GMT
...just one of the commenters complaining about it. It's irrelevance is why I labelled it as trolling.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 19:30:18 GMT
Question: How many trains a day run on the National Rail line twixt W & S Ruislip - Paddington? Just the one 'Parliamentary'/route knowledge retention working. With the up working having to run wrong line from Ruislip Gardens Jn (almost West Ruislip) through South Ruislip down platform to get to the single line to Greenford it is vey unlikely there will be more. But at least you can do it with a 1-6 Travelcard now. Lots but it was the main line then. The main line is most definitely to Marylebone now. Capacity at Paddington would be a problem now. When Chiltern diverted two trains an hour into Paddington during the recent engineering works they had to cancel the Greenford services to give the paths/platform space. Of course if HS2 ever gets built there will be no Network Rail track to run on. Currently Marylebone has 6. From the public timetable there are 30 arrivals between 0700 and 0900 at Marylebone if I've noted them right. A couple have one minute intervals and many are three minutes. I doubt Chiltern could run any more at during that time if they had to provide extra services for passengers from Amersham/Chesham. Andy |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 19:38:47 GMT
I still think it's madness to put all the trains south of Harrow on the slow line. If there is a problem of congestion, why not use all the lines you've got, all day? By all means run the Watford/Chesham/Amersham trains all-stops between Moor Park and Harrow, but then use the fast lines to Wembley Park and Finchley Road. What congestion? The headway between HOH and WPK is 2 minutes 16tph off peak equates to 3.5/4 minute intervals ex HOH, hardly breaching capacity! If there are delays, then trains may be able to run via the fast to catch up time/ease congestion, co-ordinated on the day by Met Control and friends |
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Post by mrjrt on Oct 22, 2011 23:24:03 GMT
Currently Marylebone has 6. My bad. I keep forgetting how many they ended up with after the old Evergreen works. Still, if they ever up the mainline service, then they only have 3 full-length platforms to play with, cramming all the metro services into the other 3 short ones. From the public timetable there are 30 arrivals between 0700 and 0900 at Marylebone if I've noted them right. A couple have one minute intervals and many are three minutes. I doubt Chiltern could run any more at during that time if they had to provide extra services for passengers from Amersham/Chesham Luckily, there's some tunnels available for an elongated station throat that might help.  I wonder how far you'd have to go to increase capacity enough? The start of the tunnels? Lords? The WCML crossing? Finchley Road? Neasden Junction?  |
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Post by redsetter on Oct 23, 2011 14:14:39 GMT
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Post by citysig on Oct 23, 2011 18:18:12 GMT
So, since there has been a "London Underground" it has been part of it. Whatever went before is irrelevant. London Underground provides metro services, and therefore my statement stands. The Underground Electric Railway ltd was formed in 1902. Both it and the Metropolitan Railway became part of London Transport when it was formed in 1933. But was that London Underground? What I said and/or meant is that since there has been a London Underground (company) the Met has been a part of it. It may have existed before, but I was referring to its current existence as part of the London Underground network and no other network. |
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Post by citysig on Oct 23, 2011 18:25:26 GMT
In threads such as this (as demonstrated by my colleague) confusion seems to slip in that maybe I am strong supporter of such projects.
It is true I try not to openly slate my employers. There aren't too many jobs like ours in the outside world. But I do voice my opinions.
What I try to do more than anything on here, is give the detail behind some decisions, and why they have come about, and whether they will work. This is one of those which will hopefully work out in the end, and whilst it won't suit everyone, it will satisfy those who have fought long and hard for such a service. Maybe if it all goes completely pear-shaped, they will see such services don't work, and may back down - not before they (and everyone else) blame us - LU - for introducing a service that didn't work out.
One thing I do like to make clear now and again is that this service (and other ideas) are not my projects or ideas. I am but a humble Line Controller, and as such am one of the individuals who helps keep everything moving.
I have attended a few more meetings than most on here, which have dealt with the ins and outs of this timetable - and indeed what can be done for subsequent timetables.
December's timetable change is going to happen, and the company is already well aware of people's views. Maybe it's time to wait and see what happens and reserve some judgment until then.
When the "new Circle" was due to commence, there were umpteen views about x,y,z and we ended up going round in circles (no pun intended) on here with the same criticism. When it eventually came in, despite a big change to some people's travel patterns, the service was received relatively well - even by those (including staff) who said it would never work.
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I wonder how far you'd have to go to increase capacity enough? The start of the tunnels? Lords? The WCML crossing? Finchley Road? Neasden Junction? 
