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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 19:09:54 GMT
Was travelling on the C2C this afternoon passing East Ham and I spotted an S stock on the Eastbound District line platform at East Ham, are they now testing S stocks on the District line?  |
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Post by rsdworker on Oct 9, 2011 19:18:19 GMT
that's for hammersmith line testing - i am fair sure
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Post by alfie on Oct 9, 2011 19:47:59 GMT
Yes, they are testing S Stocks..between Aldgate East and Barking today I believe.
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Post by cso on Oct 9, 2011 21:18:33 GMT
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Post by trainopd78 on Oct 10, 2011 11:44:47 GMT
Those pics were from the S Stocks first ever trip to/from East Ham. It finally made Barking at around 1am this morning. I took some pictures at Barking which i'll post later as I'll need to upload them. The train was out for testing and guaging. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 15:00:11 GMT
Thats the only S stock I find actually looks good, all down to the fact that the front skirting is red rather than black, looks alot less top heavy with the red.
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Post by trainopd78 on Oct 10, 2011 15:48:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 16:33:07 GMT
Thanks for the photos.
Very nice - especially cool to see "Hammersmith & City line" on the front display...
In the 4th photo, I noticed that the handrail in the cab of 21001 is red instead of yellow like 21002's cab and all the others - any particular reason for this?
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 10, 2011 18:24:39 GMT
The new train testing posters, which say do not try to open... have people already been spotted trying to open the doors by constantly pushing buttons which won't work?
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Post by t697 on Oct 10, 2011 18:27:09 GMT
Thanks for the photos. Very nice - especially cool to see "Hammersmith & City line" on the front display... In the 4th photo, I noticed that the handrail in the cab of 21001 is red instead of yellow like 21002's cab and all the others - any particular reason for this? Still a pre-production handrail on that one. probably won't be changed until it goes back for refurb into a production train. There is a lot to change out in its interior. |
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Post by metman on Oct 10, 2011 22:20:37 GMT
It won't be changed as I think this train will be scrapped! |
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Post by trainopd78 on Oct 11, 2011 12:20:41 GMT
Pre production train 1 will not see passenger service and will be scrapped after its life as a test train. I thought i'd put a H&C destination on as it was available ;D. I did put Dagenham East (District) on the front when sitting in Barking EB platform but the picture didn't come out too well  The train is normally run in engineering hours (extended traffic hours) or during line closures so the chances of a passenger accidentally getting on during testing are slim, but one of the tests this weekend was at Mile End so it is entirely possible for a passenger to cross the ticker tape and try to board in theory. Nobody has tried yet though AFAIK Edit: Here's the link for Dagenham East display. s18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/trainopd78/S%20Stock/?action=view¤t=S1strunbkgeb11101011.jpg&t=1318336020120 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 12:41:05 GMT
Pre production train 1 will not see passenger service and will be scrapped after its life as a test train. I thought i'd put a H&C destination on as it was available ;D. I did put Dagenham East (District) on the front when sitting in Barking EB platform but the picture didn't come out too well The train is normally run in engineering hours (extended traffic hours) or during line closures so the chances of a passenger accidentally getting on during testing are slim, but one of the tests this weekend was at Mile End so it is entirely possible for a passenger to cross the ticker tape and try to board in theory. Nobody has tried yet though AFAIK Edit: Here's the link for Dagenham East display. s18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/trainopd78/S%20Stock/?action=view¤t=S1strunbkgeb11101011.jpg&t=1318336020120Thanks - the photo is actually clear enough. So does this mean that there is only a limited number of destinations which can be put onto the display? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 15:29:38 GMT
Pre production train 1 will not see passenger service and will be scrapped after its life as a test train. I thought i'd put a H&C destination on as it was available ;D. I did put Dagenham East (District) on the front when sitting in Barking EB platform but the picture didn't come out too well The train is normally run in engineering hours (extended traffic hours) or during line closures so the chances of a passenger accidentally getting on during testing are slim, but one of the tests this weekend was at Mile End so it is entirely possible for a passenger to cross the ticker tape and try to board in theory. Nobody has tried yet though AFAIK Edit: Here's the link for Dagenham East display. s18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/trainopd78/S%20Stock/?action=view¤t=S1strunbkgeb11101011.jpg&t=1318336020120There was a train sitting at Bromley-by-Bow eastbound about 18:50 on Sunday, as I passed it on a c2c service. More testing for H & C? |
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Post by trainopd78 on Oct 11, 2011 15:39:52 GMT
The train was out testing from Saturday Night until 3am Monday Morning doing tests for the H&C. Work is definitely progressing. On the pre-production train at least, it looked to me that all of the Sub-surface destinations were on the CIS system. This is to allow the system to be tested. The S8 units only have Met Main destinations. I'm not sure about the production S8-1 (21045/6) unit though. I'll have to have a play when I'm next on it ;D |
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Post by Ben on Oct 11, 2011 16:17:15 GMT
Is it not every station then on the SSR, just terminal points? Would have thought whatever it contains it'd be simple enough to change the list when/if needed. Maybe even plug in a laptop with the right software kind of thing?
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Post by t697 on Oct 11, 2011 20:20:03 GMT
Is it not every station then on the SSR, just terminal points? Would have thought whatever it contains it'd be simple enough to change the list when/if needed. Maybe even plug in a laptop with the right software kind of thing? Yes it is technically possible to add extras as you suggest but even with all the usual and slightly unusual ones and all the routes, and on the Met, stopping patterns, that is still a long list! |
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Post by t697 on Oct 11, 2011 20:22:39 GMT
On the pre-production train at least, it looked to me that all of the Sub-surface destinations were on the CIS system. This is to allow the system to be tested. The S8 units only have Met Main destinations. I'm not sure about the production S8-1 (21045/6) unit though. I'll have to have a play when I'm next on it ;D In fact all the trains have all the routes and destinations, but once the train "knows where it is" from the station beacons, it only offers plausible destinations when you set up the trip. |
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Post by kabsonline on Oct 11, 2011 20:23:48 GMT
I've seen an S Stock in the sidings at Rickmansworth with Chalfont and Latimer displayed. Surely now the bay platform has closed there it is not possible for trains to terminate there so there must be places on the list where trains can't terminate?
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Post by t697 on Oct 11, 2011 20:32:20 GMT
I've seen an S Stock in the sidings at Rickmansworth with Chalfont and Latimer displayed. Surely now the bay platform has closed there it is not possible for trains to terminate there so there must be places on the list where trains can't terminate? Still possible to tip out NB and run empty to Amersham, or run SB just to Chalfont. ISTR that under resignalling the crossover on the main may become signalled for passenger carrying and that was also a factor in including the destination. It's definitely included for one or more good reasons! |
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Post by metman on Oct 11, 2011 20:52:56 GMT
Actually there is a N-S cross over just to the north end of the platforms at Chalfont although I've seen plans that will remove this crossover and site the chesham branch points further north!
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Post by Ben on Oct 11, 2011 23:09:48 GMT
Thanks t697. I'm curious as to one specific though; the A stock has Neasden on its blinds, can the S stock show this?
Metman: Indeed, good call on LUs part. If it gets a train off the Chesham branch even 1 min earlier it'll reduce the risk of delays for through routing on/from it.
t697, are destinations tied into the 'line' shown, or is it down to S7 vs. S8, or is it just everywhere on everything?
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Post by abe on Oct 12, 2011 7:35:31 GMT
According to Underground News the Chesham branch will be joined to the 'main line' far closer to the point where it currently diverges. The third track to Chalfont will be removed, which is a shame. I'd prefer a solution which had a SB connection further north, but which retained the current crossover and connection at Chalfont. Still, time to get back on-topic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 16:25:07 GMT
Thanks t697. I'm curious as to one specific though; the A stock has Neasden on its blinds, can the S stock show this? As far as I know, all (other) train types with electronic displays have been able to show any stations served by their line, it'd be weird if the S stock can't do that. |
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Post by t697 on Oct 12, 2011 20:10:20 GMT
Thanks t697. I'm curious as to one specific though; the A stock has Neasden on its blinds, can the S stock show this? t697, are destinations tied into the 'line' shown, or is it down to S7 vs. S8, or is it just everywhere on everything? 1. S stock does not currently have Neasden or Willesden Green in the CIS as intermediate stops or destinations. It's unusual to stop there and if done, the T/Op makes PA announcements explaining. 2. S7 and S8 all have the same CIS database. If the train is booted up without any location data, every line, route and destination is available for selection. Once the train has a location (the last CSDE beacon it has read in present pre-ATC conditions), then CIS only offers you plausible lines, routes and destinations from that place. For example, at Aldgate you can select from any Met line NB trip or Circle trips. |
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Post by causton on Oct 12, 2011 20:11:14 GMT
Thanks t697. I'm curious as to one specific though; the A stock has Neasden on its blinds, can the S stock show this? As far as I know, all (other) train types with electronic displays have been able to show any stations served by their line, it'd be weird if the S stock can't do that. But Neasden *isn't* served by the Met line! That's why I doubt it would be (unless they get the platforms up to scratch so trains can call there, apparently the Met platforms and the access to/from the ticket hall is in a bad state!) |
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Post by t697 on Oct 12, 2011 20:35:49 GMT
As far as I know, all (other) train types with electronic displays have been able to show any stations served by their line, it'd be weird if the S stock can't do that. On the Underground I am fairly sure that the only fleet on which you can select absolutely any station on the line as the destination is the District line D78 stock system. All the others use a shorter list of all the logical destinations from the available terminating/reversing places, for both timetabled and degraded service. OK, just realised you can also select them all (both) on the W&C line! On S stock with Met, H&C, Circle and District lines, the multiple stopping patterns on the Met line and the 'Cannon St closed' options for the District and Circle lines, there are literally hundreds of possibilities, even using only the available terminating and reversing stations. Hence the others have not been made available to select as the displayed destination. It's all electronic, so reprogramming is available if there is a real business need. During the trip each station is shown as 'next' and 'this' on the internal displays as the journey progresses of course. On the external displays the destination and stopping pattern are shown. On the Circle, 'Circle line' is shown, with 'via xxx' where 'xxx' is a stop soon along the route and which changes along the route, e.g. via Liverpool St, via Victoria etc. As the train nears a Circle trip destination, the 'via xxx' is replaced by the destination, e.g. Edgware Road. |
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Post by t697 on Oct 12, 2011 20:39:54 GMT
But Neasden *isn't* served by the Met line! That's why I doubt it would be (unless they get the platforms up to scratch so trains can call there, apparently the Met platforms and the access to/from the ticket hall is in a bad state!) Permitted in emergency I think. Also Willesden Green is used quite often when the Jubilee is not running or when the Met service is subject to severe disruption. The Met platforms at both stations have CSDE and OPO facilities for A stock and S stock. It's true that access at Neasden is rather restricted. |
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Post by v52gc on Oct 13, 2011 8:50:36 GMT
Just to add my snippet, on the Pics' 73s you can set up any station as the destination or start providing the route is possible (eg not Heathrow to Uxbridge).
It even has stations it doesn't stop at normally that can be programmed in the route like Ravenscourt Park so it's a pity if Willesden Green won't be possible on the S stock.
There also High Street Kensington, West Kensington and Ealing Broadway, but these can't be programmed into a route or destination.
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Post by castlebar on Oct 13, 2011 9:25:53 GMT
@ v52gc You said: "Just to add my snippet, on the Pics' 73s you can set up any station as the destination or start providing the route is possible (eg not Heathrow to Uxbridge).
It even has stations it doesn't stop at normally that can be programmed in the route like Ravenscourt Park so it's a pity if Willesden Green won't be possible on the S stock.
There also High Street Kensington, West Kensington and Ealing Broadway, but these can't be programmed into a route or destination."
This is interesting, because Picc stock had West Kensington on their roller blinds around 40/45 years ago, as l believe there was a scheduled and timetabled early morning working (from Northfields??) to West Ken in those days. I think it was then the first train up to Uxbridge. Similarly, they had "Hillingdon" on the blinds too, for a direct run into Uxbridge sidings after a Hillingdon PAX tip-out, I think this was often used evening rush hours to prevent a back-up in UXB platforms. The platform indicators showed Uxbridge as they didn't have "Hillingdon" as a possible destination on them.
Did the stock have these two destinations on delivery or were they subsequently added??
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