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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 16:16:29 GMT
Has anyone noticed the unusual gate line setup between the National Rail and Jubilee Line passageway at Southwark Station?
When leaving the National rail services, you pass through one gateline in the passageway, followed by another gateline three metres away, with nothing else between, and it seems a waste of money to have two active duplicate gatelines there.
Can anybody shed some light on this strange setup??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 16:57:17 GMT
NR/TfL boundary I presume. Similar situation at London Bridge, however the gatelines are a little further spaced.
Of course, that doesn't change the situation you get at say Upminster or Barking..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 16:58:39 GMT
It hasn't always been this way. there used to be just the one gate line. This was in the days when NR TOCs hadn't yet adopted Oyster. Southeastern being quite slow on the uptake with gate technology at their stations outside of Zone 1, got paranoid that customers were touching out of Southwark using pre-pay Oyster but then travelling onward on their NR services without a valid ticket, so they installed a second gate line. The programming on the second gate line was different to the LU gate line requiring different codes, i.e. no pre-pay.
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Post by causton on Sept 10, 2011 19:59:27 GMT
Interestingly, the station is not a compulsory ticket area, but the gateline staff won't let you pass through to Southwark without a ticket or touching out on Oyster... you can't buy a platform ticket though!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 10, 2011 21:17:08 GMT
It is a nuisance - I have the opposite problem: I have a season ticket valid at Waterloo East, but without a Travelcard I can no longer use Southwark and Waterloo East as a route from the bus stops on Blackfriars Road to Waterloo Main which avoids the rain (and passes a useful Gents on Platform B, should the need arise!), without paying for a Zone 1 Oyster fare to get from one side of Southwark station to the other.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 17:45:15 GMT
Wasn't it intended to have an exit there, onto the street (Leman street?) that runs past, just behind the back wall. www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3776But the locals complained that it would turn a residential area into a noisy place. (Even though its just a few yards from the main road, and there is only one residential property - a block of seriously ugly council-style flats). Those council-style flats are looking massively dated, and its a good area for development. So maybe soon a developer will buy them; TfL could maybe force the developer to allow the exit / maybe the developer will demand the exit (for convenience for the flats). |
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Post by Ben on Feb 20, 2012 5:25:15 GMT
Before the (original) Thameslink project kicked off there was a 70s plan for a station included on the south side of the Thames somewhere in the vicinity of Union Street.
Its somewhat amusing to think that if such a station had been built, a massive linear interchange of Waterloo JLE, Waterloo NR, Waterloo LUL, Waterloo East NR, Southwark JLE, and Union Street NR would have probably occured by now.
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Post by trt on Feb 20, 2012 13:00:53 GMT
I've never been through that station. I should try it, but does it mean someone with a TfL staff card can get stuck between the gatelines?
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Post by causton on Feb 20, 2012 23:38:17 GMT
I've never been through that station. I should try it, but does it mean someone with a TfL staff card can get stuck between the gatelines? In theory yes, or someone with a single to Southwark. You would have to wait till the barrier guy at Waterloo East went on break or home for the evening  (they *should* let you through the barrier as Waterloo East station is not a compulsory ticket area, making the barriers completely useless, but they didn't last time I saw it being tested!) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 8:13:11 GMT
Before the (original) Thameslink project kicked off there was a 70s plan for a station included on the south side of the Thames somewhere in the vicinity of Union Street. Its somewhat amusing to think that if such a station had been built, a massive linear interchange of Waterloo JLE, Waterloo NR, Waterloo LUL, Waterloo East NR, Southwark JLE, and Union Street NR would have probably occured by now. You don't think Southwark would just have been built further to the east, on the right hand side of the main road, heading east, and so miss Waterloo East altogether? If they were to build a union street station now, they'd have to do it DLR style - on a new light viaduct that cuts a hole through the middle of that modern government building [ a circular hole would look the most impressive ] - if they wanted an interchange. Expensive, but probably not too bad on the scale of things - they'd have to demolish a few bits of outdated housing, on well located land for developers; so they could get a fair bit of the cost back. |
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