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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 18:23:44 GMT
Recently (18th June) a friend and I were travelling on the Jubilee line from Stanmore-Bond Street in 96TS DM 96073, when we encountered a rainstorm near Canons Park, It was at this point that we noticed the windows directly behind the cab were leaking water, presumably from the outside. I was just wondering, is this a fleetwide problem, as it has been on other stocks or is it a one off?
Any help much appreciated, the link to the video is below:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 19:30:52 GMT
1992 stock also has this excellent feature...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 20:01:52 GMT
I noticed that, which is why the windows are now being framed is it not? I was just wondering if the 1996TS has the same issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 20:12:11 GMT
It certainly is! Ive noticed 1996ts does suffer from a few build problems that are not seen on the 1995 stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 20:32:31 GMT
96 were built for cheapest first cost whereas 95 were built for cheapest lifetime cost, bear that in mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 20:37:20 GMT
Its bloody noticeable!
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Post by plasmid on Jun 27, 2011 22:05:54 GMT
1992 stock also has this excellent feature... ;D 96ts should have been the 92ts but it was delayed due to build problems. Besides the leaks I think they are remarkably clean compared with the 92ts. Perhaps because Alsthom maintain them and not LUL or LOL. 92ts also leaks by the double doors.  92ts was made in South America and was paid for with Ugandan Dollars via Fax. |
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Post by DWS on Jun 27, 2011 22:10:06 GMT
1992 stock also has this excellent feature... ;D 96ts should have been the 92ts but it was delayed due to build problems. Besides the leaks I think they are remarkably clean compared with the 92ts. Perhaps because Alsthom maintain them and not LUL or LOL. 92ts also leaks by the double doors. 92ts was made in South America and was paid for with Ugandan Dollars via Fax. Tube Lines maintain the 1996 stock ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 22:19:31 GMT
I heard Stratford Market got taken back in house?
Actually laughing at what youve said, nick 0323
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Post by plasmid on Jun 28, 2011 9:51:07 GMT
Tube Lines / Alsthom...point is at least it isn't LUL !!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 15:25:04 GMT
Build wise, the differences in the 95's and 96's is mainly just to do with the mechanics of the train itself. Interior wise there isnt much difference in quality apart from folding seats and a few minor detail differences. Really the interior of a 96 is the same but just in a different colour scheme.
IMO its just an isolated problem with one or two units here and there, I'd say its a bit of one off wear and tear.
The 92 stock on the other hand must have as much leaks as the navy does, especially considering their being held together by 3M ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 16:07:20 GMT
Build wise, the differences in the 95's and 96's is mainly just to do with the mechanics of the train itself. Interior wise there isnt much difference in quality apart from folding seats and a few minor detail differences. Really the interior of a 96 is the same but just in a different colour scheme. IMO its just an isolated problem with one or two units here and there, I'd say its a bit of one off wear and tear. The 92 stock on the other hand must have as much leaks as the navy does, especially considering their being held together by 3M ;D 92s are pretty dire and awful, and knowing that BR used the design, maybe it's a good thing the Waterloo and City is fully underground. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 16:17:17 GMT
Personally im a big fan of the 1992 stock, but this refresh they are getting is well deserved
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Post by plasmid on Jun 28, 2011 16:21:51 GMT
The big windows on the 92ts also introduce the big green house effect.
The most obvious thing TLF could have done with the new windows is tint the top curved part and painted go-faster stripes on the side of the trains to let people know these trains are quick and cool.
Back on topic...I think the window seals have done well to last as long as they have done...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 16:50:27 GMT
But surely whoever maintains them would notice the seals were starting to go and replace them, although that said, this is LU we're on about.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 18:30:37 GMT
Depots have roofs, so they cant notice unless it has a leaky roof!
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Post by redsetter on Jun 28, 2011 18:39:41 GMT
it looks as if there may be tell tale signs such as an mold beginning,not a good environment with electrics.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 19:18:08 GMT
Or the fact that usually when rubber seals go, it's because the rubber has perished, which is easy to see if you bother to look.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 19:42:34 GMT
But does the seal in your video look any different to a non leaky one?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 20:30:45 GMT
I didn't think to look tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 20:50:39 GMT
Ive just watched your video and no it doesnt
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 20:52:47 GMT
you can't really tell from the video tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 21:01:23 GMT
Your filming the bloody seal!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 21:52:04 GMT
But the rainwater is coming through the top of the seal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 22:03:36 GMT
Ah yes so it is
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 22:19:08 GMT
If I see the unit again, i'll take a look.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 28, 2011 22:25:39 GMT
If I see the unit again, i'll take a look. Remember to take your life boat! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 23:25:56 GMT
May be a wise move, just wondering if LUL will set it (or a 92TS) to me for use as a fish tank.  |
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Post by t697 on Jun 29, 2011 19:35:19 GMT
96 were built for cheapest first cost whereas 95 were built for cheapest lifetime cost, bear that in mind. Maybe so, but one of the few common features between the two is the window fixing method. They are bonded in. Looks like the bond is failing on the window in the video. There were some early failures and an inspection method to weed out bad bonds. Maybe some need another look. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 19:45:32 GMT
How were the windows in pre 92ts fixed in?
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