tube changes add to chesham journey times

Didn't help either that Metronet ordered trains for the Victoria line that were too large to fit on the Piccadilly line so have to be transported by road.

I imagine that the size of the 2009 stock is not the most important reason that they don't run on the Piccadilly, they would probably fit but would have to run very slowly around some of the tight bends on the line. Lines have been adapted for larger trains in the past, but not generally just for deliveries. As likely to have been as important is the costs of fitting of tripcocks and associated equipment to the 2009 stock (and checking that the 2009 stock didn't interfere with the Piccadilly line signalling) or adapting battery locos to tow them dead (and making probably making the formations too long for the signalling!!).

This is getting quite off topic for this thread, so I'll start a new one in the trans technical area.

I also doubt anyone in the Pinner user group actually needs/wants more than 6tph!

Have LU considered us Chesham travellers in this decision? I doubt it. I can think of a lot of things I can do in 7 minutes which I will no longer have the time to do because of this timetable.

Don't forget that the plan was for Railtrack to take over the infrastructure of the SSL and I doubt they would have wanted to have two tube lines in addition to this. Had this plan gone ahead then the SSL would today be the responsibilityt of Network Rail and would likely not have collapsed like the PPP did.

For once it's actually the Amersham commuters who have lost the most though, first they have lost 2 tph, and those two they still have will now be over 10% slower to Baker St. I can see the Chilterns being ever more popular.

Most of the Amersham commuters won't lose much as there will still be fasts in the peaks. It is the off-peak travelers who will have the extra time added to their journeys.

the line appears to be coming under increased congestion,this appears to be noted on other sites too regarding the overcrowding on chiltern railways affecting the london aylesbury route.

www.inconvenientmule.co.uk/commuter/?tag=amersham-line

its always been a chesham shuttle except a few peak journeys and the amersham has in the main been a fast service but they have been stopping at Wembley for a while,no doubt it will add to chiltern's two car overcrowding at amersham after nine to avoid the additional stops and journey times as the a to be b gets slower. because of the withdrawals its likely to stay that way the map layouts on the old stock.

I have received the following from London Travel Watch on the proposed changes. This was following a meeting they had with TFL last Friday.

"Further to our emails last weeks, I have a little more information for you.

As you have pointed out there will be a slighted reduced off peak service from Watford and Amersham. However, these trains will now run through and not terminate at Baker Street.

The reasons behind this are due to swelling numbers of people at Farringdon station making the need to run an improved service. Transport for London believe this will improve reliability and have a better use of track capacity.

The trains to Amersham and Watford should see a slight improvement during peak hours.

At this time, I am unaware if these plans have been finalised."

In my opinion, having Amersham trains run through to the City all day does not make up for longer journey times between Harrow and Moor Park.

They pretty much have been. It is getting too late in the day now to change what will come into being in December.

I do hope that for late working commuters, the NB evening peak fast service to Amersham/Chesham doesn't revert to the new slow evening off-peak service until approx 2030 at Baker Street.

I would also suggest that am peak fast services from Amersham/Chesham should continue until approx 0945 at the north end of the line.

What does a pilotman do?

And Rickmansworth is blessed with a Station Supervisor and train operations depot!