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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 23, 2021 11:03:18 GMT
From the TfL website First reported as minor delays around 09:30 this morning, suspended 11:45-ish
Whoops...
Update
13:45-ish service resumed with severe delays
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Post by ducatisti on Sept 23, 2021 12:25:55 GMT
Oh no! It was fine this morning. A bit empty, but early doors I guess...
Does the new line dive under the loop, it seemed to drop quickly. Also, at Battersea, I noticed a lot of spare crossings by the side of the crossovers. Seems a bit early to be replacing rail, are they just spares being stored in place?.
I like the decor, feels part of the LU current style, following on from eg Westminster station JLE. And a nice nod to Holden in the screens above nine elms entrance.
Just a shame it takes longer than my usual route to the same place via NR and vic.
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Post by ijmad on Sept 23, 2021 14:14:32 GMT
Flooding seems to be sorted out now. Don't know about the change of levels, it doesn't dive under though. You can see a rough impression of the track layout at cartometro.com/cartes/metro-tram-london/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 14:38:10 GMT
Split hose which goes to a pump at Kennington to blame for this morning.
It was suspended again to install a secondary submerged pump this time to get the water down until the faulty hose can be replaced.
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Post by ducatisti on Sept 23, 2021 14:48:55 GMT
Glad to hear about the flooding.
It is the dive-under the morden line that causes the downhill, now I look at the map
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Post by Tom on Sept 23, 2021 21:15:30 GMT
Also, at Battersea, I noticed a lot of spare crossings by the side of the crossovers. Seems a bit early to be replacing rail, are they just spares being stored in place?. I noticed them too. Most projects have a requirement to supply a certain percentage of spares, which I assumed those were.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 24, 2021 13:08:20 GMT
Am I correct in believing that one side effect of the extension is the ending of the Bushey Heath - Edgware - Mill Hill East - Finchley Central shuttle service and the return to through trains 'all day'?
If so I bet the passengers who no longer need to change trains at Finchley Central must be delighted that the new extension has opened.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 24, 2021 14:16:33 GMT
Am I correct in believing that one side effect of the extension is the ending of the Bushey Heath - Edgware - Mill Hill East - Finchley Central shuttle service and the return to through trains 'all day'? If so I bet the passengers who no longer need to change trains at Finchley Central must be delighted that the new extension has opened. districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/32473/new-wtt58-19-september-2021
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Post by Chris L on Sept 24, 2021 17:41:05 GMT
In what ways are the NLE stations much much better? Truly curious as I'm not able to visit them for a long while. Much better design and space. Use of colour too. Look at the videos on the thread. This allows a comparison between the Crossrail stations and Battersea Power Station and Nine Elms.
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Post by ijmad on Sept 24, 2021 21:26:22 GMT
Crossrail stations are pieces of art, but I believe the Battersea branch came in under budget, whereas Crossrail is £4bn over budget and may need even more.
Something to be said for a leaner utilitarian style, particularly when it's done well.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 25, 2021 15:02:46 GMT
It might have helped that London Underground awarded the project to a single contractor; a consortium between Ferrovial and Laing O'Rourke. Crossrail was dozens of contracts to loads of contractors
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Post by alpinejohn on Sept 25, 2021 16:59:50 GMT
It might have helped that London Underground awarded the project to a single contractor; a consortium between Ferrovial and Laing O'Rourke. Crossrail was dozens of contracts to loads of contractors It is perhaps worth remembering that Crossrail was badly impacted by the collapse of Carillion who had been lined up to do most of the Crossrail station upgrades to the west of Paddington - work which using other contractors, is only now more or less complete - years late and way above original estimates.. www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/28/carillion-collapse-cost-taxpayer-162m-crossrail-overspend/I am very impressed by how swiftly and efficiently TFL managed to test and get signed off the work needed to incorporate the new section into the Northern Line proper with all the necessary interfaces and then testing of TBTC signalling systems let alone find time to complete staff training and emergency evacuation exercises needed for Fire Brigade sign off. Meantime unlike the smooth progress with the Battersea Extension, CrossRail testing seems to be taking an eternity and not going particularly well. Indeed I was tempted to look back at recent and past video's from Mark Wild - sadly the guy now looks incredibly stressed. I really hope Mark does not become the final fatality linked to the jinxed Cross/Elizabeth/Purple Line project.
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Post by Chris L on Sept 25, 2021 17:59:10 GMT
It might have helped that London Underground awarded the project to a single contractor; a consortium between Ferrovial and Laing O'Rourke. Crossrail was dozens of contracts to loads of contractors Each core station is larger than anything that had gone before. A single consortium would have struggled to provide management teams with enough experience to make things happen. I worked at Liverpool Street for a sub contractor to Laing O'Rourke who also did Tottenham Court Road.
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Post by sd826e on Sept 29, 2021 21:56:10 GMT
The lifts at both Nine Elms and Battersea Power Station aren't better than those at Debden. When these lifts are provided, they're supposed to be improvements over the ones built elsewhere, yet they hardly are.
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Post by jimbo on Jan 9, 2022 3:02:51 GMT
I wonder, after three months, how demand is building on the new branch. Is it providing a useful service in these difficult times?
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Post by jimbo on Jun 1, 2022 4:58:43 GMT
The Northern Line extension has operated successfully since opening in September 2021. Up to the 12 March 2022, circa 2.14 million trips have been recorded, with an average of 30,000 passengers per week at Nine Elms station and 60,000 passengers per week at Battersea Power Station. (TfL Board meeting - 8 June 2022)
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Post by ducatisti on Jun 1, 2022 5:50:29 GMT
Where does that put them in the league of stations I wonder?
They can't be helped by two of the larger projects there being heavily-delayed and selling poorly.
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Post by jimbo on Jul 20, 2022 3:58:45 GMT
What train crew accommodation was provided at Battersea? There was once talk of space for 150 crew! see: What happens to the driver of the Nine Elms stabler? Do they remain with the train overnight? Is this unique on LU to stable blocking the running line? Is any precaution necessary to fully secure a train at Nine Elms?
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Post by t697 on Jul 20, 2022 4:46:03 GMT
What train crew accommodation was provided at Battersea? There was once talk of space for 150 crew! see: What happens to the driver of the Nine Elms stabler? Do they remain with the train overnight? Is this unique on LU to stable blocking the running line? Is any precaution necessary to fully secure a train at Nine Elms? It's been known to stable a train in a platform at Edgware Road (H&C) but of course you can loop around that. Northern line trains in common with all current LUL passenger fleets have automatic spring applied parking brakes on multiple axles so are well secured even with the current off.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 20, 2022 7:41:54 GMT
What train crew accommodation was provided at Battersea? What happens to the driver of the Nine Elms stabler? Do they remain with the train overnight? Some acceptable train crew accommodation must be provided at Battersea as the night drivers from trains that stable there and Nine Elms are due to be there. The Nine Elms stabling driver from Golders Green takes a booked taxi to Battersea for meal break etc.
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Post by melikepie on Feb 5, 2023 20:42:57 GMT
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Post by ijmad on Feb 5, 2023 21:13:05 GMT
A local scheme by Wandsworth Council. I doubt they've done any forecasting on the wider effects this would cause, as has previously been stated it would likely be immediately full with passengers disembarking national rail services, which would not be ideal for those trying to travel from Battersea Power Station, who paid handsomely for the extension.
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Post by t697 on Feb 6, 2023 17:44:50 GMT
And will there be enough Northern line trains? In the end, none were procured for the extra service to Battersea.
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Post by Chris L on Feb 6, 2023 17:50:02 GMT
I do wonder why people would get off a Waterloo bound train at Clapham Junction to board a Northern line train headed for the same area.
Wandsworth Council should be pressing for Crossrail 2.
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Post by burkitt on Feb 10, 2023 7:28:15 GMT
Same reason people get off Victoria-bound trains at Brixton for the tube going the same way. Depending on how crowded it, you've got a much better chance of getting a seat / getting on the first train / getting into the station at all without having to queue for ages.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 10, 2023 9:51:33 GMT
Especially if you are travelling further than Waterloo/Victoria. It's probably common in all directions, I know people pile off c2c at West Ham and Limehouse and off GA at Stratford.
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Post by melikepie on Feb 10, 2023 20:10:33 GMT
Do you reckon the same happens at Battersea Park?
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Post by Chris M on Feb 10, 2023 22:20:19 GMT
I don't have anywhere near enough knowledge of the service patterns at Battersea Park to have a firm opinion, but speaking theoretically wherever (a) and person needs to change trains to complete their journey, and (b) there are multiple places they could make that change (e.g. a terminus of the train they are on and a station before the terminus), I would expect people to choose to change earlier where there is some benefit to doing so.
People wont change if the interchange is harder, the travelling environment worse, the journey time longer and the price is higher. If the interchange is easier, the travelling environment better, journey time quicker and price cheaper then almost everybody will change at the earlier station. If there is a mixture of better and worse then it is a subjective decision about what tradeoffs are worth it to the individual.
The choice is made at the level of the individual journey, for example I believe far more people exit at Waterloo East in the morning peak than board there in the evening peak. Presumably this because in the morning they are more likely to get a seat at Southwark than at Charing Cross/Embankment while in the evening they are more likely to get a seat at Charing Cross than Waterloo East. As another example, when I arrive at Canary Wharf on my way home, I have a choice of the DLR or bus to complete my journey. The latter is a longer journey time, often costs more and may involve up to 15 minutes wait however the bus stop is 2 minutes walk from home vs 5-10 minutes walk from the DLR station. When it's raining, I'm tired and/or have heavy luggage I'm more likely to take the bus, at other times I'm more likely to take the DLR (which is also preferable with light but bulky luggage).
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Post by Chris L on Feb 11, 2023 6:53:00 GMT
I don't have anywhere near enough knowledge of the service patterns at Battersea Park to have a firm opinion, but speaking theoretically wherever (a) and person needs to change trains to complete their journey, and (b) there are multiple places they could make that change (e.g. a terminus of the train they are on and a station before the terminus), I would expect people to choose to change earlier where there is some benefit to doing so. People wont change if the interchange is harder, the travelling environment worse, the journey time longer and the price is higher. If the interchange is easier, the travelling environment better, journey time quicker and price cheaper then almost everybody will change at the earlier station. If there is a mixture of better and worse then it is a subjective decision about what tradeoffs are worth it to the individual. The choice is made at the level of the individual journey, for example I believe far more people exit at Waterloo East in the morning peak than board there in the evening peak. Presumably this because in the morning they are more likely to get a seat at Southwark than at Charing Cross/Embankment while in the evening they are more likely to get a seat at Charing Cross than Waterloo East. As another example, when I arrive at Canary Wharf on my way home, I have a choice of the DLR or bus to complete my journey. The latter is a longer journey time, often costs more and may involve up to 15 minutes wait however the bus stop is 2 minutes walk from home vs 5-10 minutes walk from the DLR station. When it's raining, I'm tired and/or have heavy luggage I'm more likely to take the bus, at other times I'm more likely to take the DLR (which is also preferable with light but bulky luggage). By joining LVF lvf.io/ you can check when the next buses will arrive at any stop to influence your decision. Just enter the number on the stop post.
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Post by gigabit on Feb 25, 2023 12:13:58 GMT
I would use such a service to avoid the District Line and it would be quicker to get to Central
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