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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2005 12:22:17 GMT
When travelling on the H&C to Hammersmith, I've noticed that some drivers blow down and then open the doors, whereas othes open the doors and then blow down.
Is there a preferred order to doing this?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 31, 2005 17:24:56 GMT
While on C Stock, I personally prefer to open the doors first, then blow-down, - just as the hoards are passing the cab- making 80% of them jump out of their skin! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2005 17:43:25 GMT
While on C Stock, I personally prefer to open the doors first, then blow-down, - just as the hoards are passing the cab- making 80% of them jump out of their skin! ;D Aye i like that principle! The IO iam with at the moment opens the doors then shuts down the cab. But i suppose it depends how fast you come into the platform, if you are using heavy braking, you might as well kosh it as well when you stop!!
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Post by igelkotten on Mar 31, 2005 18:25:48 GMT
Shouldn't the first priority for any T/ops be to get rid of the cattle behind te bulkhead? /Igelkotten
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Post by Admin Team on Mar 31, 2005 18:50:00 GMT
Shouldn't the first priority for any T/ops be to get rid of the cattle behind te bulkhead? /Igelkotten Absolutely! And if you ever *happen* to be with me MA you'll find that's the approach you *should* take
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2005 19:10:11 GMT
Absolutely! And if you ever *happen* to be with me MA you'll find that's the approach you *should* take No comment!!
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Post by DrJimi on Mar 31, 2005 23:41:07 GMT
Ah - this must be the railway term for "passengers". In the US Airline industry they are sometimes refered to as "self-loading freight"
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Post by igelkotten on Apr 1, 2005 5:30:23 GMT
Ah - this must be the railway term for "passengers". In the US Airline industry they are sometimes refered to as "self-loading freight" Other terms used are, among others: The clientele The stout yeomanry The inmates Our beloved customers The sheep The monkeys The great unwashed horde Sometimes, more specialised terms are employed. For example: "Advertising boards" -shorthand for "That one's so drunk, he's a walking advertising board for the State Alchohol monopoly" "Walking beauty boxes": Those young party girls who bring a sportsbag full of make-up on the train, and continue applying enormous amounts of make-up, hairspray, perfume etc whilst seated and continously chatting on a mobile phone. "Windbreakers with bank logos": Our equivalent of Hooray Henrys or Sloane Rangers. Ordinarily to elitny to go by public transport, they do seem to like a bit of slumming from time to time. However, they often have seve difficulties understanding why they have to pay for a ticket. After all, they are sooo special, aren't they? So, any London or Moscow equivalents to offer?
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Post by Tom on Apr 1, 2005 18:33:33 GMT
Other terms used are, among others: The clientele The stout yeomanry The inmates Our beloved customers The sheep The monkeys The great unwashed horde Didn't a mutual friend of ours also call them imbecilic goats or something similar?
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Post by igelkotten on Apr 1, 2005 22:17:28 GMT
Didn't a mutual friend of ours also call them imbecilic goats or something similar? That he did, fatherless imbecilic goats at that, and over the PA at a very crowded station in the afternoon peak. And the supervisor's response during the inevitable "please explain"-meeting was soemthing on the lines of "I am not giving you a bollocking for calling them imbecilic goats, because that is indeed what they are. I am giving you a bollocking for being so %#)§½ stupid that you forgot that the PTT button was activatedwhen you said it!" That supervisor is one of our very best, if a bit eccentric at times. He does have a somewhat zen-like approach to things. /Igelkotten
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Post by solidbond on Apr 1, 2005 22:56:17 GMT
In a vague attempt to lever this thread back to the original topic ( ;D ;D), I think one of the things that can determine whether the driver shuts down first or opens the doors first, is what side the platform is on. Since C stocks are driven with the left hand, and the correct procedure is to not release the TBC before the train has come to a complete stop, if the platform is on the left hand side, then, as the trains stops the driver may put the TBC into emergency, then open the doors, as both actions will be done with the left hand. However, if the platform is on the right, then the driver can open the doors with his/her right hand as soon as the train has stopped, and then shut down with the left hand.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2005 23:05:10 GMT
However, if the platform is on the right, then the driver can open the doors with his/her right hand as soon as the train has stopped, and then shut down with the left hand. No, as you are supposed to use both hands to open the doors so it is a positive action!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2005 23:21:33 GMT
No, as you are supposed to use both hands to open the doors so it is a positive action! Hmmm, never heard that one before! I was taught to use both hands if I've had to hit the 'mushroom' (Correct Side Door Enable override button, for the non-lingo speaking ;D), but then I also stand on the platform and open the doors to ensure that I open them on the correct side!
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Post by trainopd78 on Apr 2, 2005 17:32:58 GMT
Hmmm, never heard that one before! I was taught to use both hands if I've had to hit the 'mushroom' (Correct Side Door Enable override button, for the non-lingo speaking ;D), but then I also stand on the platform and open the doors to ensure that I open them on the correct side! MA is quite right on that one, prevents accendental opening and should have ensured that the train was stationary before opening (in theory). Stems back from the days of crew operation. However with speed sensing, CSDE etc less seems to be made of it nowdays.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2005 22:10:48 GMT
MA is quite right on that one, prevents accendental opening and should have ensured that the train was stationary before opening (in theory). As i dont believe you can hold the TBC in place and use both hands to open the doors!
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Post by solidbond on Apr 2, 2005 22:51:50 GMT
To clarify, in response to the OP, I replied that what determines whether the driver opens the doors or shuts down first depends on which side the platform is. In no way did I say that that one or the other was the 'correct' way. While I agree that, in days gone by, as a guard we were told to use both hands to operate the door open buttons, the way trains have developed, particularly with OPO, has made it, rightly or wrongly, more likely that a driver will press both door open buttons with the same hand. Therefore, my answer to the OP still stand ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2005 22:54:26 GMT
While I agree that, in days gone by, as a guard we were told to use both hands to operate the door open buttons, the way trains have developed, particularly with OPO, has made it, rightly or wrongly, more likely that a driver will press both door open buttons with the same hand. Therefore, my answer to the OP still stand ;D ;D Thats as maybe, but the school teach that you use both hands so it is an action that you meant to do!
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Post by solidbond on Apr 2, 2005 23:08:16 GMT
Thats as maybe, but the school teach that you use both hands so it is an action that you meant to do! However, the problem is, that the 'school' teach you a number of things that are not practical, or realistic, in the real world. Things which I will not discuss in a public forum, but will justify if you really want to know, via PM
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2005 23:09:57 GMT
However, the problem is, that the 'school' teach you a number of things that are not practical, or realistic, in the real world. Things which I will not discuss in a public forum, but will justify if you really want to know, via PM OK catch you on MSN / PM to chat about that! I know what you mean though!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2005 0:17:01 GMT
Well I tried that earlier today on my few hours of C stock... Stopping, releasing the deadman then using two hands to open the doors! I was running late after a few stations! ;D
I have my own ways of making sure I don't open the doors on the wrong side anyway, which I picked up on the mainline which has no CSDE! OK, it involves talking to myself, but it works!! ;D
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Post by trainopd78 on Apr 3, 2005 8:51:52 GMT
Well I tried that earlier today on my few hours of C stock... Stopping, releasing the deadman then using two hands to open the doors! I was running late after a few stations! ;D I have my own ways of making sure I don't open the doors on the wrong side anyway, which I picked up on the mainline which has no CSDE! OK, it involves talking to myself, but it works!! ;D I must admit I tend to use the same hand too. If the door open buttons are on the same side as the CTBC then I'm known to use 2 hands, but then again maybe i'm just odd!! ;D
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Post by igelkotten on Apr 3, 2005 9:30:04 GMT
I have my own ways of making sure I don't open the doors on the wrong side anyway, which I picked up on the mainline which has no CSDE! OK, it involves talking to myself, but it works!! ;D Which is actually a method used by some railways around the world. The japanese, for example, trains their drivers and guards to point at their appropriate signals with and say out loud to themselves that "This is signal XYZ123 for track A1, and it is showing proceed at restricted speed for my train". The idea is that it will force people to reflect on what they are doing, and make them sort of think twice on what aspect they are shown etc -not the "uuuhhh... was that signal that I passed green or flashing yellow? syndrome that can pop up fromtime to time. I has also, supposedly, led to a drastic reduction in trains being dispatched from stations against a signal at danger -the "ding-ding and away problem" I believe it has been dubbed in Britain. /Igelkotten
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Post by Tom on Apr 3, 2005 15:03:43 GMT
On a related note, we had to talk our way through failures when I was training, and I still do it now.
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